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Bigtime · 05-16-2012, 11:23 AM

House Martell baby, they have been working on getting the iron throne ever since the "baby bashing" incident occurred. I know we haven't seen too much of them until the last couple of books but I find the fact that the prince is going for the long play to get what he wants very interesting. I look forward to seeing what happens (despite the setback with the death of the Red Viper and Quentyn).

Bobblehead · 05-16-2012, 11:29 AM

I think HBO has been promoting individual houses because if you go to their store for GoT they have lots of merchandise with the house sigil on them.

http://store.hbo.com/game-of-thrones...ame-of-thrones

Bobblehead · 05-16-2012, 02:34 PM

Tywin is getting LOTS of love in the TV thread. While I can understand it based on the show, it isn't something I saw coming from reading the book.

And it seems like Rob's character needs to be developed some more. There isn't enough of the "boy trying to fill his father's shoes" feel to it. Everything his character had done on screen has seemed too easy. The audience really hasn't gotten a reason to care for Rob.

Bigtime · 05-16-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Tywin is getting LOTS of love in the TV thread. While I can understand it based on the show, it isn't something I saw coming from reading the book.

And it seems like Rob's character needs to be developed some more. There isn't enough of the "boy trying to fill his father's shoes" feel to it. Everything his character had done on screen has seemed too easy. The audience really hasn't gotten a reason to care for Rob.

I'm not watching season 2 yet, but I am assuming Tywin is getting a lot more screen time than he did book time at this point? I wonder if they'll still off him on the crapper (guessing around the end of season 4 on the show)?

Bobblehead · 05-16-2012, 03:27 PM

Yes, he is a lot more involved. And I hope they off him like that but I could see HBO making it happen in the bed chamber instead. Decapitations and rape are fine but someone killed while pinching out a loaf is something America isn't ready to see.

Oling_Roachinen · 05-16-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

House Martell baby, they have been working on getting the iron throne ever since the "baby bashing" incident occurred. I know we haven't seen too much of them until the last couple of books but I find the fact that the prince is going for the long play to get what he wants very interesting. I look forward to seeing what happens (despite the setback with the death of the Red Viper and Quentyn).

Yeah, I'm definitely House Martell. Or at least I'm for Doran...come to think of it the rest of the Martell family are far less calculating and rational. Aegon (assuming he is indeed Aegon) would also be his grandson and he has at least an outside shot to the crown and would technically the rightful heir to the Targ dynasty.

GreenLantern · 05-17-2012, 08:34 AM

I was also a fan of House Martell, until Oberyon (sp) died. Now I don't really know, maybe the Reeds.. Howlen seems like quit the badass if we could ever meet him.

It is kind of cool what Martin has done here, I don't really care who wins the throne, what is left of the kingdom anyway, good luck bringing it all together. There are for sure houses I don't want to get it though, like the Greyjoys, Boltons, Lannister etc..

Bigtime · 05-17-2012, 08:39 AM

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I was also a fan of House Martell, until Oberyon (sp) died. Now I don't really know, maybe the Reeds.. Howlen seems like quit the badass if we could ever meet him.

I didn't like how the Red Viper died. It was an epic fight, and then to have it end due to him pulling a classic wrasslin' move and enjoying what he thought was his victory before the Mountain jumps him unexpectedly was just cheesy to me.

I just hope we see some Sand Snakes taking names in the next two books.

TurnedTheCorner · 05-19-2012, 10:29 PM

I'm about 2/3 of the way through A Storm of Swords.

Spoiler!

WhiteTiger · 05-20-2012, 12:10 AM

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I'm about 2/3 of the way through A Storm of Swords.

Spoiler!

Ah, the Red Wedding grabs another unsuspecting reader.

Just think now of the internet rage you'll read about when it makes it to the big screen...

TurnedTheCorner · 05-20-2012, 12:11 AM

Indeed. Small consolation though.

Cecil Terwilliger · 05-20-2012, 02:56 PM

One thing first: TTC watch out, people don't use spoiler tags in this thread. You may see posts (like mine) that contain outright series changing info.

Re the RW: Once you accept it and move on it becomes easier to handle. When I first read about the RW I was livid. But as you may have seen earlier I'm on my second go round and it didn't bother me nearly as much the second time, but was still a source of stress because it was THE big event that I knew I couldn't avoid.

Something I'm noticing about Feast for Crows is that not only are there only a select few characters that are featured (the rest obviously being in DwD) but the chapters are quite a bit longer than other books.

Most chapters I'd say are about 15-20 pages, sometimes shorter. Book 4 is pretty much 25 page chapters as the norm. Not only that but so many chapters and they focus heavily on Jaime, Cersei, Brienne.

I don't hate those storylines but they tend to be very descriptive and without a whole ton of intrigue. I've always said I love the backstabbing political nature of the books but I can only take so much of Cersei being a bitch or Brienne wondering aimlessly. Cersei's at least involves a ton of backstabbing and stuff. Brienne's whole damn book is her chasing a red herring.

Grimbl420 · 05-21-2012, 07:30 PM

I'm about 100 pages into Feast For Crows, and I'm already finding my interest wavering. I was really hoping for some follow up on the Catelyn Stark situation G.R.R.M. left us with at the end of Storm Of Swords by now.

Cecil Terwilliger · 05-21-2012, 11:35 PM

Just finished a Feast for Crows. Wow. This book isn't as exciting as the first three but it has a lot of twists.

Tom Sevenstrings is undercover at riverrun with new lord emmon Frey.

Pate, the guy killed by J'aqen Hagar in the prologue, has apparently been replaced by J'aqen.

Those two I didn't remember. Then of course there is Cersei getting screwed and Brienne's "last" word.

Cecil Terwilliger · 05-21-2012, 11:53 PM

Oh and Margaery Tyrell made out with Captain America.

Bigtime · 05-22-2012, 08:13 AM

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Just finished a Feast for Crows. Wow. This book isn't as exciting as the first three but it has a lot of twists.

Tom Sevenstrings is undercover at riverrun with new lord emmon Frey.

Pate, the guy killed by J'aqen Hagar in the prologue, has apparently been replaced by J'aqen.

Those two I didn't remember. Then of course there is Cersei getting screwed and Brienne's "last" word.

Don't forget the probable sighting of Sandor Clegane on the island monastery (when Brienne and Co. visit it).

Ped · 05-22-2012, 10:05 AM

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Don't forget the probable sighting of Sandor Clegane on the island monastery (when Brienne and Co. visit it).

I didn't like the book the first time I read it, but upon re-reading it, appreciated it a lot more. It suffers from the limited viewpoints it offers, but the insights into Jamie and the Martells alone makes it more than worth any shortcomings imo.

Bobblehead · 05-22-2012, 11:23 AM

Interesting that apparently HBO isn't giving critics a preview release for the final 2 episodes.

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Hey, don’t look for these reviews to be as timely in the next two weeks. HBO wants to keep these last two episodes a surprise even for us critics. It should be a blast.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-p...experts,75237/
(I didn't put the link in the other thread because it is from an article written for people who have written the books - A.V.Club posts 2 reviews for each episode, one for TV viewers only (newbies) one for book readers (experts).)

And the show sure doesn't seem to like including any of the direwolves on screen, do they?

Cecil Terwilliger · 05-22-2012, 04:14 PM

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And the show sure doesn't seem to like including any of the direwolves on screen, do they?

So assuming they don't like showing the direwolves due to the cost of cgi, it made me think.

Suppose that is part of the reason they changed Dany's story? Not the only reason obviously. It adds intrigue that her story didn't have before but gives them an excuse to not have to feature the dragons for 4 episodes.

Handsome B. Wonderful · 05-23-2012, 01:02 PM

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So assuming they don't like showing the direwolves due to the cost of cgi, it made me think.

Suppose that is part of the reason they changed Dany's story? Not the only reason obviously. It adds intrigue that her story didn't have before but gives them an excuse to not have to feature the dragons for 4 episodes.

I think that's pretty much it: 50% to save money, 50% to give her something to do.