A Song of Ice and Fire **Spoilers** Now more TV talk!

[GreenLantern]

I honestly just hope the Mountain wipes out Kings Landing, that story line has been dragging so hard. I also hated the smug look on the Sparrows face last episode. Funny how they've taken me from absolutely despising Jamie and Cersei (for obvious reasons) to siding with them against these jerk faces.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

The BWB could just be skipped now since they served their earlier purpose with Arya and The Hound.

Well, I'm thinking they play in a major part in Jon reclaiming the North.

They have already openly talked about needing more troops to take back Winterfell.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I honestly just hope the Mountain wipes out Kings Landing, that story line has been dragging so hard. I also hated the smug look on the Sparrows face last episode. Funny how they've taken me from absolutely despising Jamie and Cersei (for obvious reasons) to siding with them against these jerk faces.

I think the flashbacks have shown that wildfire will play a huge part in wiping out Kings Landing.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Tommen may also be killed by the Mountain if he should be seen to take sides against Cersei.

That brings up an interesting question: If Tommen dies, who would be in line to inherit the Iron Throne?

Tommen has not yet produced an heir (that we know of). Joffrey, Myrcella*, and Shireen* are all dead without producing any children. Stannis* and Renly are both dead (* - still alive in the books, AFAIK).


Until/unless Jon is recognized as Rhaegar's true heir, there is no immediately obvious heir through the Targaryen bloodline (Robert's claim to the throne was justified because his grandmother was the Mad King's aunt, and there were no other surviving descendants with a better claim -- except for Dany and Viserys in exile in Essos).

I don't believe there is any mention of any cousins Robert may have had, so any claim to the throne might have to go further up the line than Robert's grandmother. Who knows where you might find the next highest surviving descendant of a Targaryen king (especially since they intermarried so much)?

[djsFlames]

Tommen getting killed would make things very complicated. He's not going to stay on the throne but I think it'll be next season at the earliest if it happens. They haven't made introduced (within the shows universe) who would be the next obvious inheritor. So I'd think he's safe for now. Or at least until one of the houses/players makes a move to take the throne. I do think Tommen becomes Margaery's and the Tyrells pawn for a while.

That said I'd love to see Jon suddenly get power hungry after conquering Winterfell and learning of his parentage and ties to the Targaryen line. Given how grey characters are, to see him gain a new sense of purpose even if a selfish one would be interesting. And to have Jon and Dany converge on the throne at the same time would be pretty awesome.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

According to the following link Dany is next in line after Shireen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comm...ssion_for_the/

Another link I read literally just said free for all since it would be such a clusterfata.

[getbak]

Dany has a more legitimate claim to the throne than Robert or any of his "children" ever did. She's the only known living true-born Targaryen. There's just the whole problem of her being in exile.

If Tommen were to die, everyone who wants Dany dead would also be gone, so there might not be any opposition to her return. That would actually be pretty funny to have followed her all this time, gathering her forces for an invasion of Westeros, only to have her receive word that the people of Westeros all want her to come over and take the throne.

Then, even funnier would be if she shows up in Westeros just as word arrives from the North that there's evidence that Jon is the legitimate heir of Rhaegar, so he actually has a better claim to the throne than Dany.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by getbak

Dany has a more legitimate claim to the throne than Robert or any of his "children" ever did. She's the only known living true-born Targaryen. There's just the whole problem of her being in exile.

If Tommen were to die, everyone who wants Dany dead would also be gone, so there might not be any opposition to her return. That would actually be pretty funny to have followed her all this time, gathering her forces for an invasion of Westeros, only to have her receive word that the people of Westeros all want her to come over and take the throne.

Then, even funnier would be if she shows up in Westeros just as word arrives from the North that there's evidence that Jon is the legitimate heir of Rhaegar, so he actually has a better claim to the throne than Dany.

Well Targaryen's believe in marrying siblings so first cousins shouldn't be an issue to solve that issue.

Also Dragons can take out any Army Jon brings together.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

Well Targaryen's believe in marrying siblings so first cousins shouldn't be an issue to solve that issue.

Also Dragons can take out any Army Jon brings together.

Aunt and nephew.

[Flash Walken]

Is anyone else as obssessed with the Crannogmen as I am?

The way I see it, these guys have to be huge players in the final chapters of the series. THEY ARE MAGIC and we know now that basically the entire world of GOT revolves around magic.

I think Howland Reed has a much larger role in the goings on at the Tower of Joy than we have been lead to believe.

Something is up with the Crannogmen and I wanna know what it is. I wonder if Danny is actually born of Rhaegar and Lyanna and THAT was the promise ned made, which is why he was so against killing/assassinating Danny. Maybe Danny and Jon are Twins.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Something is up with the Crannogmen and I wanna know what it is. I wonder if Danny is actually born of Rhaegar and Lyanna and THAT was the promise ned made, which is why he was so against killing/assassinating Danny. Maybe Danny and Jon are Twins.

Daenerys stormborn was birthed by Queen Rhaella while being transported with Viserys during an extreme storm. There's enough information on her birth and early life that there would be no possible way for her to be Jon's twin.

[AltaGuy]

I just hope there is no LotR ending here with friendly dragons flying overhead and uplifting music. Would be sweet if the series ended with Dany assassinated by Arya, and Jon and Bran stuck battling the white walkers at the Wall forever in a hopeless effort, and King's Landing is razed at some point, destroying any "Seven Kingdoms" to rule at all.

Something bleak and dark. I want no happy ending, GRRM! Haha

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I just hope there is no LotR ending here with friendly dragons flying overhead and uplifting music. Would be sweet if the series ended with Dany assassinated by Arya, and Jon and Bran stuck battling the white walkers at the Wall forever in a hopeless effort, and King's Landing is razed at some point, destroying any "Seven Kingdoms" to rule at all.

Something bleak and dark. I want no happy ending, GRRM! Haha

Is GRRM even capable of writing a happy ending?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Is GRRM even capable of writing an ending?

Fixed.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I don't think I want a crappy depressing ending but I don't want everything wrapped up in a neat little bow.

I'd like to see some resolution, WhiteWalkers defeated and some semblance of power takeover by Jon/Dany/Bran but a lot of uncertainty in the realm and the future of Westeros hanging in the balance. Maybe even a new threat lingers like invasion from the East or something.

[Looch City]

Invasion from Cylons.

Battlestar Galactica cross-over.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

Also Dragons can take out any Army Jon brings together.

Sure, until Bran and some of the Wildlings warg into the Dragons and turn them against Dany...

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Invasion from Cylons.

Battlestar Galactica cross-over.

Just take all my money.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by getbak

Dany has a more legitimate claim to the throne than Robert or any of his "children" ever did. She's the only known living true-born Targaryen. There's just the whole problem of her being in exile.

If Tommen were to die, everyone who wants Dany dead would also be gone, so there might not be any opposition to her return. That would actually be pretty funny to have followed her all this time, gathering her forces for an invasion of Westeros, only to have her receive word that the people of Westeros all want her to come over and take the throne.

Then, even funnier would be if she shows up in Westeros just as word arrives from the North that there's evidence that Jon is the legitimate heir of Rhaegar, so he actually has a better claim to the throne than Dany.

I don't think Dany would yield due to some notion that someone else has a better claim than her.

The thrown isn't passed by right, but by right of force.

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I don't think Dany would yield due to some notion that someone else has a better claim than her.

The thrown isn't passed by right, but by right of force.

She also believes that all of her family is dead. So it would be interesting to she what would happen if its revealed that they are aunt/nephew.