Can I add on though that Michelle Hurd who plays Raffi is an awful over actor. Like her performance in that episode was really cringy.
I am not sure about Michelle Hurd as an actor, but it seems like most of the lines being read are a little over-acted, like when Picard and Riker are joking with each other they really add a palpable “just joshin’ ya” punctuation to it.
I kind of get it. Outside of Patrick Stewart, these guys don’t get a lot of acting practice. It’s very one-dimensional and not even acting, just repeating lines while in costume.
Well. Thats just evil. Great. Now people are making Barclay's holo sex-dungeon essentially a real thing.
Thats just great.
Remember that time when Star Trek promised a future where we'd move past these kinds of things?
Somewhat ironically however....Star Trek already did it?
Paying someone to create fake porn of someone else without their consent is literally an entire episode of DS9.
First of all, yes sureLoss, you're right in the respect that the technology is accelerating at a faster pace than the legislation and we wont even discuss the ethics or morality of it because, honestly, if you've gone through the process of paying someone to make fake porn of someone else then 'The Good Ship Ethics' has already well and truly sailed in these circumstances.
This type of thing should be nuked from orbit.
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I kind of get it. Outside of Patrick Stewart, these guys don’t get a lot of acting practice. It’s very one-dimensional and not even acting, just repeating lines while in costume.
Outside of Patrick Stewart most of these guys just arent very good actors, and never have been.
They didnt get on Star Trek for the mastery of their craft, they got on Star Trek because they were available and inexpensive, they've just parlayed that into a lucrative career.
Again, a major reason I really love Strange New Worlds, that cast is not some eclectic assortment of functionally available randos.
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That was the fun of the Orville. They had more ships then competent captains. So they basically said to Ed, you suck, your job performance is dire, but we have this ship see, so you can have it and god help you.
That sells what happens in that show a bit short. He has people behind the scenes lobby to give him a chance and that his current performance has more to do with unexpected personal problems than actual ability. It's implied he was on track for a captain's chair at a very quick pace before the incident with space Rob Lowe.
Also, a lot of people selling the acting ability of a lot of the TNG cast short. Michelle Hurd is a bit camp though. When it comes to acting ability, the best part about her acting ability is the fact she's married to the amazing Garrett Dillahunt.
I kind of get it. Outside of Patrick Stewart, these guys don’t get a lot of acting practice. It’s very one-dimensional and not even acting, just repeating lines while in costume.
Don't like the performances, that's cool. But I'm not sure it's fair to say they other cast members aren't as 'practiced' as Stewart. Hell, I don't think Stewart is as good as he used to be, but he's 82. Frakes is in his 70s.
IMO the screenwriting his schlock a lot of the time.
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Well to be fair you don't see much of that cast in any other roles at all. And I don't buy the "typecast" argument since lots of successful TV actors move on to other roles.
Its the one thing that changed with Star Trek. The original series was an ensemble cast. Yeah, Shatner certainly hogged the spot light. But you got individual relevant storylines with other characters where they were more then furniture.
I'd argue the same thing with DS9 where you felt that all the characters were important cogs in the machine.
With Generations, it went from a ensemble show, to the Picard and Data show, especially in the movies, and everyone else was background characters to the poochie(Picard and Data).
With Voyager it eventually became the Janeway, 7 of 9 show.
The worst was/is Discovery which is Michael and a bunch of bridge furniture.
SNW feels like an ensemble work, maybe that's due to the episodic nature of the show.
With Picard . . . . really . . . . its Picard. But Raffi's performance was cringe worthy.
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Don't like the performances, that's cool. But I'm not sure it's fair to say they other cast members aren't as 'practiced' as Stewart. Hell, I don't think Stewart is as good as he used to be, but he's 82. Frakes is in his 70s.
IMO the screenwriting his schlock a lot of the time.
Stewart’s performance isn’t great, but what are you arguing about my comment that the other actors aren’t as practiced? They aren’t. That doesn’t seem debatable. Their careers basically ended with Star Trek.
Being old also isn’t a justification for not being a good actor.
I think some actors could elevate otherwise mediocre material, just look at Anson Mount’s performance on Discovery.
Stewart’s performance isn’t great, but what are you arguing about my comment that the other actors aren’t as practiced? They aren’t. That doesn’t seem debatable. Their careers basically ended with Star Trek.
Being old also isn’t a justification for not being a good actor.
I think some actors could elevate otherwise mediocre material, just look at Anson Mount’s performance on Discovery.
I'm probably just misunderstanding what you mean by 'practice'. It implies to me a lack of professionalism and implies they're bums off the street. If you mean practice while continuing to work, sure. But also is Stewart's Professor X really giving anything different than Picard? It's not like his body of work has a huge range. Which no shade, but just my opinion. No one is winning an emmy for their performance in Star Trek.
and no, age isn't a justification, but your performance is going to change and be tempered by the life experience you've gained, physical movement is impacted etc.
anyway I'm pretty sure that
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Raffi's handler is Worf
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I'm probably just misunderstanding what you mean by 'practice'. It implies to me a lack of professionalism and implies they're bums off the street. If you mean practice while continuing to work, sure. But also is Stewart's Professor X really giving anything different than Picard? It's not like his body of work has a huge range. Which no shade, but just my opinion. No one is winning an emmy for their performance in Star Trek.
and no, age isn't a justification, but your performance is going to change and be tempered by the life experience you've gained, physical movement is impacted etc.
anyway I'm pretty sure that
Spoiler!
Raffi's handler is Worf
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So Worf is going to take another in a long line of beatdowns? Sign me up.
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Raffi and Jurati are / were two of the worst characters in Star Trek history. They're certainly the two worst series regulars, and considering they were on the same series that's impressive. I too wish they would've binned Raffi for this one, or at least swapped spots and had her be the CO on that ship they went to and Seven be the one doing undercover clandestine work (which would've made more sense for their respective characters honestly).
How many episodes is this supposed to be again? I figured it'd get half-way through the season before hitting the 'this is terrible' tipping point but it seems like they decided to just skip straight to it.
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How many episodes is this supposed to be again? I figured it'd get half-way through the season before hitting the 'this is terrible' tipping point but it seems like they decided to just skip straight to it.
Probably 10 episodes since the previous seasons were that long.
