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FanIn80 · 09-28-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducay

Hell, you can't even open or reply to an SMS without closing your apps.

What the hell kinda phone are you using?

Ducay · 09-28-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

What the hell kinda phone are you using?

Some garbage thing that cost me way too much money and time in a lineup

Burninator · 09-28-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducay

Please don't kid yourself, "multitasking" on iOS is a joke, and doesn't even come close to what you should be able to do. Hell, you can't even open or reply to an SMS without closing your apps.

Yes you can, if the app is iOS4 compatible.

yads · 09-28-2010, 01:04 PM

It's still not true multi tasking.

Ducay · 09-28-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

Yes you can, if the app is iOS4 compatible.

As I was saying, multitasking on iOS isn't multitasking (for the most part, music (iPod, Pandora) and a couple things aside). Its just saving the state of the app and then opening to that spot when the app re-launches.

Flames0910 · 09-28-2010, 02:19 PM

I don't really care whether it's true, false or double rainbow'd multitasking so long as it does what it needs to do.

sclitheroe · 09-28-2010, 03:02 PM

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I don't really care whether it's true, false or double rainbow'd multitasking so long as it does what it needs to do.

No kidding...I don’t understand people who bitch about multitasking on the iPhone. Whichever app you were in when you switched away from it, what exactly did you expect it to continue doing in the background for you? Apple has 7 or 8 specific tasks that an app is allowed to do in the background, plus an API for rapid state saves/resumes.

For 90% of apps, a rapid state save/resume is all that is needed. This covers off most productivity apps, office apps, games, etc.

For other apps, including audio, GPS and some network apps, the API is there to facilitate them finishing their work in the background. Push notifications are there for apps that need to respond to events in something less than real time or with higher tolerated latency.

If an app hasn’t implemented the proper API’s to facilitate performing its intended function in a normal usage pattern, blame the developer.

FanIn80 · 09-28-2010, 03:21 PM

I keep asking for tangible examples, but people seem to prefer speaking in abstract generalities.

"You can't multitask."
"Multitask what, exactly?"
"Anything."
"Like what?"
"Who cares, it doesn't work."
"What doesn't work about it?"
"It doesn't multitask."
"Which apps are you speaking about, specifically, and what are you expecting them to do?"
"Whatever. I have to go refresh the Telus website now. I'm waiting for them to release the new Android update that came out a year ago."

sclitheroe · 09-28-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

I keep asking for tangible examples, but people seem to prefer speaking in abstract generalities.

"You can't multitask."
"Multitask what, exactly?"
"Anything."
"Like what?"
"Who cares, it doesn't work."
"What doesn't work about it?"
"It doesn't multitask."
"Which apps are you speaking about, specifically, and what are you expecting them to do?"
"Whatever. I have to go refresh the Telus website now. I'm waiting for them to release the new Android update that came out a year ago."

Yeah really..”what doesn’t it do in the background that you need it to do” is the question that needs to be asked.

Playback of music is a huge one. Being able to let file upload/downloads finish in the background is another good one. Maintaining a GPS fix is a nice one to have...oh wait, this sounds familiar - sorta like all the API’s that Apple gave developers to achieve these goals

cKy · 09-28-2010, 04:00 PM

Bloody Apple fanboys derailing a perfectly good RIM thread.

FanIn80 · 09-28-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cKy

perfectly good RIM thread

Oxymorons are fun.

cKy · 09-28-2010, 04:24 PM

I only say it cause I am locked into a plan with a POS Blackberry and I can't have my iPhone.

Barnes · 09-28-2010, 04:37 PM

So, will the SDK have some sort of interface builder with system UI elements or is going to be a free for all for developers and all apps will have there own Flash UI controls? Does RIM have any sort of UX Guidelines?

sclitheroe · 09-28-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnes

So, will the SDK have some sort of interface builder with system UI elements or is going to be a free for all for developers and all apps will have there own Flash UI controls? Does RIM have any sort of UX Guidelines?

That’s a good question. I wonder if they will provide a UI widget set and other standard bits and pieces like form and grid controls, etc. I’m not very familiar with Flash development - does Flash provide anything resembling a widget or control framework?

McG · 09-28-2010, 10:18 PM

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I don’t think SAP, Oracle or IBM are all that interested in doing development in Flash...do you?

there seems to be a contradiction; the press release states:

RIM chose the QNX operating system as the base of its new BlackBerry Tablet OS in large part for its ability to handle multiple processes written with various codes. For example, that allows developers to create applications in Java, HTML5, Flash, Adobe AIR, and native code (C or C++). This lends power and flexibility, and will engage a wider variety of developers to create apps, RIM hopes.

i followed the link and there are certainly less options on the blackberry website so not sure what is going on. i do expect wrappers to show up at some point though...

and sap, oracle and ibm all committed to the playbook in the keynote yesterday. of course...committed doesn't mean alot without delivery.

Flames0910 · 09-28-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sclitheroe

That’s a good question. I wonder if they will provide a UI widget set and other standard bits and pieces like form and grid controls, etc. I’m not very familiar with Flash development - does Flash provide anything resembling a widget or control framework?

Is that what AIR is or is that something totally different?

FanIn80 · 09-28-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames0910

Is that what AIR is or is that something totally different?

I don't think even Adobe knows what AIR is for.

Flames0910 · 09-28-2010, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

I don't think even Adobe knows what AIR is for.

Oh. Well I'm glad I'm not alone

Barnes · 09-29-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames0910

Is that what AIR is or is that something totally different?

Air is a runtime environment that allows developers to package HTML, Flash, Flex sites as standalone applications. They would still have to create their own controls and UI elements or use some in some sort of library.

yads · 09-29-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

I keep asking for tangible examples, but people seem to prefer speaking in abstract generalities.

"You can't multitask."
"Multitask what, exactly?"
"Anything."
"Like what?"
"Who cares, it doesn't work."
"What doesn't work about it?"
"It doesn't multitask."
"Which apps are you speaking about, specifically, and what are you expecting them to do?"
"Whatever. I have to go refresh the Telus website now. I'm waiting for them to release the new Android update that came out a year ago."

How about apps needing to rely on push notifications. Ie an IM app can't poll for new messages. How about automated sync in the background (eg. Astrid can sync your tasks with Remember The Milk). You guys seriously can't think of situations in which background work might be a good thing? There's a reason we're not all still using a single process OS on our PCs, why be limited on our portable devices?