2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[BrownDrake]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Exactly this. At some stage we have to make our Jeff Carter/Mine Richards trade, or our Marian Hossa signing.

At this stage of the game, what’s the biggest hole we have? It’s a high end scoring winger.

Our goalie position is what it is for the next 2 years, and the succession plan is clearly in place (Parsons/Gillies/Rittich).

Our defensive group is locked in for the next 3 years, barring trades.

Our centre position and “bottom 6 push” is locked in. Our wingers are well positioned except for the fact we lack one more scoring winger.

Treliving has clearly set up this mini-era (the next 2-3 years) as a “win now” window - so there’s no point in sitting back and waiting, because what are we waiting for?

If the chance to acquire Duchene is real, and requires absolutely ravaging our prospect pool - then you do it, so long as you don’t detract from the NHL roster (no, Bennett isn’t going to be part of the trade).

The time is now, and we do have some prospects that should hold some good value at the bargaining table (despite what some debbie downers around here will claim).

Push the chips in and snag Duchene, Tree.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Duchene - Bennett - Lazar
Versteeg - Jankowski - Brouwer
Stajan

Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone
Bartkowski

That is depth. That would be incredibly hard to defend against (...and that would require Colorado to retain some salary).

I get the excitement on this board, we are all hoping this group grows and the new additions pay off but we are 1 season removed from 77 points and picking Tkachuk at 6th overall.

Still a lot of the same questions, goalies, young team, new coaching system.

We have improved our top 4, our young players are 1 year older but can anyone say what actually would ensure we are contenders or an elite team (top 6-8) that would justify trading youth for win now??? I think that's the approach you take when you realize you might be really close to something special at the trade deadline or after you got real close and failed but proved to yourself what you really are. Am i missing something here?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If the chance to acquire Duchene is real, and requires absolutely ravaging our prospect pool - then you do it, so long as you don’t detract from the NHL roster (no, Bennett isn’t going to be part of the trade).

That is depth. That would be incredibly hard to defend against (...and that would require Colorado to retain some salary).

Retain some salary? Have you seen our salary cap situation?

Sorry guys but acquiring Duchene for prospects is not only unrealistic due to what COL needs but he's impossible to fit in without dealing somebody off our roster due to the cap. Gonna have to deal 3-4 million off the roster to fit Duchene in.

Doesn't really make any sense

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Retain some salary? Have you seen our salary cap situation?



Sorry guys but acquiring Duchene for prospects is not only unrealistic due to what COL needs but he's impossible to fit in without dealing somebody off our roster due to the cap. Gonna have to deal 3-4 million off the roster to fit Duchene in.



Doesn't really make any sense

This is with Duchene at 50% retained:

Spoiler!

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This is with Duchene at 50% retained

Dude suggesting COL would retain 50% of Duchene's salary while trading him for prospects is absolutely laughable and unrealistic. Makes no sense for them.

[dammage79]

Yep, Flames have nothing to pony up for %50 salary retention. They might have enough for a trade depending on non Fan based assumptions of return, but I really cannot see and salary being retained.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Dude suggesting COL would retain 50% of Duchene's salary while trading him for prospects is absolutely laughable and unrealistic. Makes no sense for them.

to a team within their own conference no less.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Dude suggesting COL would retain 50% of Duchene's salary while trading him for prospects is absolutely laughable and unrealistic. Makes no sense for them.

What do you think Colorado is actually doing right now? They're re-rebuilding. For you to say with any level of certainty that you know what is a laughable proposal, is laughable.

The rumours have Colorado asking for 3-4 pieces, including a young NHL d-man, NHL ready prospects, D prospects, and high draft picks - I think the Flames could absolutely check things off on that list, to a better degree than some of the other teams.

If Colorado COULD get a Noah Hanifin/Dougie Hamilton/Seth Jones style player - the deal would have been done. But heck, we're even seeing rumours coming out saying that Ottawa is saying Ceci is a non-starter.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What do you think Colorado is actually doing right now? They're re-rebuilding. For you to say with any level of certainty that you know what is a laughable proposal, is laughable.

The rumours have Colorado asking for 3-4 pieces, including a young NHL d-man, NHL ready prospects, D prospects, and high draft picks - I think the Flames could absolutely check things off on that list, to a better degree than some of the other teams.

Keep dreaming. Just because they're rebuilding doesn't mean they can trade one of their top players for guys who aren't NHL ready while retaining NHL salary.

Your proposal was obviously unrealistic. Just try to think about Salkic trying to sell a deal like that to his ownership or his fans.

How would you have felt if we dealt Monahan a couple years ago for prospects while retaining salary?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What do you think Colorado is actually doing right now? They're re-rebuilding. For you to say with any level of certainty that you know what is a laughable proposal, is laughable.

The rumours have Colorado asking for 3-4 pieces, including a young NHL d-man, NHL ready prospects, D prospects, and high draft picks - I think the Flames could absolutely check things off on that list, to a better degree than some of the other teams.

Guy just stop.

Suggesting Colorado hands us Duchene while paying half his salary for nothing but prospects is asinine.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Keep dreaming

Oh...you mean like how Hamilton would never have been traded for a 1st and two 2nds? Bennett or Gaudreau must certainly have been going back to Boston...

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Guy just stop.

Suggesting Colorado hands us Duchene while paying half his salary for nothing but prospects is asinine.

We have seen much crazier things, and look at the market:

Drouin for Segrachev

1st + 2nd + 2nd for Hamilton

Johansen for Jones

Drouin, Johansen, Hamilton > 2 years of Duchene.

I'm not saying it'd be cheap (especially with retained $), but for you guys to outright dismiss it as a possibility seems silly given the recent history of the trade market.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Oh...you mean like how Hamilton would never have been traded for a 1st and two 2nds? Bennett or Gaudreau must certainly have been going back to Boston...

Like winning the lottery increases your chances of winning again?

[dammage79]

Rumor was yeterday that the Avs were asking for Chabot from ottawa in a Duchene package. Thats a tell of their direction. what else are they asking for? no clue. but the Flames have a few Chabot level D men in their system.

[smalltownref]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Like winning the lottery increases your chances of winning again?

No... having a GM like Treliving who is constantly working the phones and has a reputation for being the hardest working GM in the league increases our chances of winning again

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Oh...you mean like how Hamilton would never have been traded for a 1st and two 2nds? Bennett or Gaudreau must certainly have been going back to Boston...

We don't have any draft picks to give.

So you're suggesting they're going to hand us a top young talent for question-mark prospects and pay half his salary for the privilege of doing so?

[Toonage]

Don't think the Flames have any picks that would interest Colorado. Certainly none that aren't bettered or could be added to better offers from other teams.

On the other side, Sakic must know now that he isn't getting any better offers than the one he allegedly had with NYI for Hamonic & a 1st. They get worse from here, and Duchene holding out doesn't make this a deal that gets better come the deadline or off season. His agent will be pressing hard once the season starts (probably doing that now, really) and Sakic is going to settle. Then get fired.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

We don't have any draft picks to give.

So you're suggesting they're going to hand us a top young talent for question-mark prospects and pay half his salary for the privilege of doing so?

We could absolutely trade our 2019 1st round pick as part of a package if it means Duchene is coming back - especially when you look into what teams like us are spending their 1st round picks on at the trade deadline anyways.

Originally Posted by Toonage

On the other side, Sakic must know now that he isn't getting any better offers than the one he allegedly had with NYI for Hamonic & a 1st.

I think Hamonic is too old for what Sakic was after.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Oh...you mean like how Hamilton would never have been traded for a 1st and two 2nds? Bennett or Gaudreau must certainly have been going back to Boston...

The biggest problem with the parallel is that Hamilton was unsigned and BOS didn't think they could sign him. Duchene is under contract for two more years. Also Duchene is more important to COL than Hamilton was to BOS at the time.

The Hamilton trade was a steal for sure. I think with the scrutiny Salic is under in regards to the Duchene deal he HAS to get an NHL piece back. IMO there's no way Sakic can sell a Duchene for picks/prospects deal to his ownership or his fans. Thinking they'd retain half his salary for two years makes the suggestion go from unrealistic to laughable

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

The biggest problem with the parallel is that Hamilton was unsigned and BOS didn't think they could sign him. Duchene is under contract for two more years. Also Duchene is more important to COL than Hamilton was to BOS at the time.

The Hamilton trade was a steal for sure. I think with the scrutiny Salic is under in regards to the Duchene deal he HAS to get an NHL piece back. IMO there's no way Sakic can sell a Duchene for picks/prospects deal to his ownership or his fans. Thinking they'd retain half his salary for two years makes the suggestion go from unrealistic to laughable

It's not just the Hamilton deal though. It's the Johansen trade, it's the Drouin trade.

I don't think Sakic can sell anything but a continued rebuild at this stage. Get young, high quality pieces, snag another very high 1st round pick after finishing in the bottom 3, and likely trade off Landeskog during this season as well for a solid return.

We could help Colorado rebuild their blueline.

Rasmus Andersson + Rights to Adam Fox + '19 1st round pick + a young NHL ready guy who could play somewhere in their line-up (Shinkaruk, Klimchuk, Poirier etc). I don't think there is another team out there with the ability to move an Andersson + a Fox + a 1st rounder.

[GoJetsGo]

I'm not sure why people insist on putting together terrible trade proposals and then defend them to the death when people point out how outlandish they are.

[TheFlamesVan]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Guy just stop.

Suggesting Colorado hands us Duchene while paying half his salary for nothing but prospects is asinine.

I definitely agree.... but I have been thinking, it IS Treliving vs. Sakic. One of them is going to get fleeced, who's your money on?