Flames Cap Space after the Bennett signing

[bluck]

Hearing a few numbers thrown out here, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 does anyone have an actual number to put to this based on fact?

[transplant99]

PROJECTED CAP SPACE This is the sum of cap hits due to the current active roster and injuries. The daily tracker stores this value each day to determine the projected cap space value : $5,215,790

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by bluck

Hearing a few numbers thrown out here, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 does anyone have an actual number to put to this based on fact?

Based on this site which includes buyouts etc., and factoring in Bennett, the Flames committed cap is now at 71.3MM for 2017/18 - leaving $3.7MM available.

http://nhlnumbers.com/teams/CGY?year=2018

[getbak]

https://capfriendly.com/teams/flames


$5,215,790 with Bartowski on the roster but still one D and two F spots to fill.

If you take Bart off the list and add Kulak and Wotherspoon, that drops it to $4,528,290. Then, pencil in Jankowski for one of the forward spots, and that leaves $3,603,290 for another forward FA.

Obviously, those numbers can change depending on who makes the team. If Andersson makes it instead of Kulak or Wotherspoon, the space goes down. If Hathaway makes the team in place of Freddie, the space goes down a bit, but if two of Hathaway, Hamilton, and Gazdic make it instead of Jankowski, the space will go up.

[bluck]

Originally Posted by getbak

https://capfriendly.com/teams/flames


$5,215,790 with Bartowski on the roster but still one D and two F spots to fill.

If you take Bart off the list and add Kulak and Wotherspoon, that drops it to $4,528,290. Then, pencil in Jankowski for one of the forward spots, and that leaves $3,603,290 for another forward FA.

Obviously, those numbers can change depending on who makes the team. If Andersson makes it instead of Kulak or Wotherspoon, the space goes down. If Hathaway makes the team in place of Freddie, the space goes down a bit, but if two of Hathaway, Hamilton, and Gazdic make it instead of Jankowski, the space will go up.

Exactly what I was looking for and then some. Thank you kindly!

[Flames Draft Watcher]

But also remember that the Flames may want some spare space in case players hit bonuses as I'm pretty sure they don't want to have a cap overage next year and be handicapped as a result.

[GGG]

So realistically they have 3 million maybe 3.2 to maintain some roster flexibility.

Does that number include any of Tkachuks bonuses he will it this year? If it doesn't we might be better off saving an extra million or so for that to open up more room for next year when Backlund will cost more.

[GullFoss]

I also wouldn't rule out a trade at this junction. Could the flames trade a roster player and a pick for a defenseman on Vegas's roster before the season begins? Sbisa, Garrison and Stoner all shoot left and have 1 year left on their deal...

[Enoch Root]

Probably a good idea to budget $825k for Tkachuk's possible bonuses.

So that leaves something in the $2.8M range.

But the Flames could run with a 22 man roster for a while, in order to buy some additional room as well.

Also, they could make part of Jagr's compensation bonus. And if he hits it, that's good.

Basically, the worst thing that could happen to the cap, if they signed Jagr with a bonus contract, is having Jagr, Tkachuk and Bennett all have great years. If that were to happen, there might be a bit of bonus spillage into next season.

But it would also probably mean that the Flames were seriously legitimate contenders.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I also wouldn't rule out a trade at this junction. Could the flames trade a roster player and a pick for a defenseman on Vegas's roster before the season begins? Sbisa, Garrison and Stoner all shoot left and have 1 year left on their deal...

Can't really afford any of those guys. And don't really see why we'd want them. Rather run with Kulak/Wotherspoon/Bartkowksi whoever.

[Enoch Root]

^ yeah, why spend more money on a #6 that is going to play 10 minutes a night?

spend the money on Jagr

[GullFoss]

I think there might be room for both...

Say you start with $5.20.m, subtract Stajan (+3.1m) = $8.3m for 3 forwards and 2 defensemen

1 defenseman: Garrison/Stoner (2.5/3.2)
3 forwards: Hathaway (0.6), Jankowski (0.9), UFA (2-3m)

Free cap space: 0.6-2.3m

Johnny Monahan Ferland
Tkachuk Backlund Frolik
Versteeg Bennett UFA
Lazar Jankowski Brouwer
Hathaway/ Hamilton

Gio Hamilton
Brodie Hamonic
Stone Garrison/Stoner
Bartowski

That seems to all fit...whether it makes sense is another question. But its an option...especially if all the young defensemen underwhelm at camp

[bigrangy]

Garrison and Stoner are also awful

Kulak is a better option

Only hole is depth winger at this point.

[getbak]

Bonus overage shouldn't be much concern for next season. Tkachuk is the only one who's likely to earn his bonuses (and Jagr, if he signs). They already have $660,000 in overages from last year on this year's books and Raymond's buyout will give them another extra million next year.

The only player who will likely be in line for a significant raise next summer will be Backlund, but if you think about it, the amount that Backlund and Stajan make combined this season will likely be about the same as what Backlund and Stajan (or Stajan's replacement) will make next season.


As things stand (assuming the cap doesn't decrease next year -- which it never has done), the Flames can probably withstand a small bonus overage next year without being in terrible shape.

[savardandjokinen]

Why do people want Clayton Stoner?? He's terrible

[Finger Cookin]

$3M-$4M depending on if the Flames are willing to carry less than 23 players. Jagr has earned less than $3.5M in exactly one season over the last 20 years.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by getbak

Bonus overage shouldn't be much concern for next season. Tkachuk is the only one who's likely to earn his bonuses (and Jagr, if he signs). They already have $660,000 in overages from last year on this year's books and Raymond's buyout will give them another extra million next year.

The only player who will likely be in line for a significant raise next summer will be Backlund, but if you think about it, the amount that Backlund and Stajan make combined this season will likely be about the same as what Backlund and Stajan (or Stajan's replacement) will make next season.


As things stand (assuming the cap doesn't decrease next year -- which it never has done), the Flames can probably withstand a small bonus overage next year without being in terrible shape.

About one third of the HRR is generated from Canada and the Canadian teams. And the dollar has rallied almost 10% in the last couple months or so.

That works out to about a 3% jump in revenues this year, just from the change in the dollar.

If it stays in this neighbourhood, we are probably looking at a cap next year of something like $77 - $77.5M.

IMO, there is no question that the Flames could easily handle a little bit of bonus overage this year (as long as it is under $1M - preferably well under)

[browna]

Let’s not forget the Canadian $ uptick in all this.

Sitting at 72c vs the US dollar 4 months ago and touched 82c today. That’s 13% of an increase.

Means nothing for the cap itself, but a fairly significant positive bump for the Flames and Canadian teams as far as internal budgets and revenue projections and valuations go.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by browna

Let’s not forget the Canadian $ uptick in all this.

Sitting at 72c vs the US dollar 4 months ago and touched 82c today. Means nothing for the cap itself, but a fairly significant positive bump for the Flames and Canadian teams as far as internal budgets go.

As the post right above yours explains, it actually means quite a bit for the cap.

The Canadian teams generate revenues in Canadian dollars., so a stronger CAD means more league revenue in USD. A 10% hike in the CAD = about a 3% bump in HRR (assuming it's sustained for the year)

Edit: or did you mean no impact for this season? That is true, but overages would affect next year.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I also wouldn't rule out a trade at this junction. Could the flames trade a roster player and a pick for a defenseman on Vegas's roster before the season begins? Sbisa, Garrison and Stoner all shoot left and have 1 year left on their deal...

The defence looks pretty well set. Give the kids in the system a shot.