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Old 06-25-2019, 05:17 PM   #41
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The Canucks qualified Granlund, but did not qualify either one of Benoit Pouliot or Ben Hutton. They certainly appear to be renovating their defense.

Hunter Shinkaruk was also not qualified in Montreal.
Canucks did not qualify Granlund
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Old 06-25-2019, 05:20 PM   #42
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Canucks did not qualify Granlund
Do you have a link for a complete list? The list I saw did not include Granlund among the not-qualified players.
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Old 06-25-2019, 05:24 PM   #43
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Do you have a link for a complete list? The list I saw did not include Granlund among the not-qualified players.
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Old 06-25-2019, 05:31 PM   #44
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Flames have Rasmus Andersson, Dillon Dube and Oliver Kylington drafted in 2nd round since Brad took over. Pretty good haul IMO
Now if only he wouldn't trade away all of our second round picks.
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Old 06-25-2019, 05:46 PM   #45
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Life comes at you fast...

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Granlund begat Shinkaruk who begat Rychel ... None were qualified.

You have to think Granlund will land an NHL deal somewhere. The other two will likely have to settle for a two-way at best.
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Happy trails and all the best, Curtis.

Worst trade Treliving ever made and it's not even close. Never, ever made sense.
Worst trade Treliving ever made was money to Gulutzan for coaching services.
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That's a great tweet by Haynes. ^
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Old 06-25-2019, 06:03 PM   #48
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what happened to McDonald?
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Old 06-25-2019, 06:08 PM   #49
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McDonald won't be back.

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Brad Treliving on Mason McDonald, who was drafted 34th overall (second round) in 2014: "Obviously it didn't work out for Mason here. Since he's been drafted, we've added other goaltenders to the system and we can only have so many. We wish Mason all the best."
Ha. Says GM who likes the phrase “you can never have too many goalies”. Tells you how bad Mason has been.
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It's a 2nd round goalie from 5 years ago. I had that FC draft guide - they had McDonald ahead of Demko too. It's fine.

The Smith pick was bad. The Lazar trade was also bad, but it happens.

Nobody should ever lose a moment's sleep over taking Mason McDonald ahead of Thatcher Demko. Neither is going to the Hall.
Who is losing any sleep over this? A poster made a comment about Lazar trade being Treliving's worst trade and I just noted it wasn't the biggest even the biggest mistake regarding the list of players not qualified and what does the hall of fame have to do with anything? NHL average at this point would be a dream scenario for the Flames. The Flames are basically dumpster diving in free agency looking at guys like Talbot coming of a sub-.900 SV%. Demko is a legit NHL prospect better than anything the Flames have in their system. Flames could have had him for the price of a pick they used on a guy they didn't qualify yesterday. If you go back to that draft thread there were people here that weren't happy at taking McDonald over Demko but it is what it is and it's perfectly fine to discuss this in a thread regarding McDonald not getting qualified. The 2014 draft was beyond abysmal for the Flames but I give Treliving a mulligan on that seeing he wasn't really with the organization that long and I have to think Burke maybe had his fingerprints on the Smith pick.
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Every team has draft misses. In fact, they occur every single year.

What is different about the Lazar trade is that he had already showed ample signs of being a big miss, but Flames still gave up a valuable asset to acquire him. It has probably been discussed to death at this point.
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Every team has draft misses. In fact, they occur every single year.

What is different about the Lazar trade is that he had already showed ample signs of being a big miss, but Flames still gave up a valuable asset to acquire him. It has probably been discussed to death at this point.
How valuable is pretty unknown at this point. No one between 47 and 108 has played much. You'd need to see Calgary's list of players between Salo and Ruzicka to make any assessment too.
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How valuable is pretty unknown at this point. No one between 47 and 108 has played much. You'd need to see Calgary's list of players between Salo and Ruzicka to make any assessment too.
That's not how I would value any draft pick, trying to guess who we would have picked. Way too many variables, including trading up, down etc.

If the goal was to trade a pick for more immediate help, the Lazar trade didn't work.
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That's not how I would value any draft pick, trying to guess who we would have picked. Way too many variables, including trading up, down etc.

If the goal was to trade a pick for more immediate help, the Lazar trade didn't work.
I think it's valid to consider how far ahead the Flames would have been if they didn't trade the pick. Trading up or down, or trading the pick for someone else have to be considered. But so far, that second round is kind of a dud. So that affects hindsight value IMO.
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That's not how I would value any draft pick, trying to guess who we would have picked. Way too many variables, including trading up, down etc.

If the goal was to trade a pick for more immediate help, the Lazar trade didn't work.
The goal was to trade for a young player with potential who had been mismanaged and had struggled with injury concerns. It was a gamble just like all draft picks are. I don’t think it was a considerably worse gamble than just picking but apparently a lot of people around here like to hate on that trade.
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