07-23-2021, 02:31 PM
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#61
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Well, the risk would be that you end up with a worse player than Dube and a lower 2nd than you had before, but sure, lets do it for a few months of Buch.
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When you are desperate to "compete" (or whatever it is that we are doing is called), I think that's the sort of deal you make all day... I mean:
1) He might be your top 6 RW solution and will sign long term
2) He might get you some achievement in the field of excellence, in which case you consider this a price worth paying
3) If you fail to "compete" you should be able to flip him for similar or maybe more
The only real risk is injury, but that is always a risk with any asset. So, if you are where the Flames are, this seems an ideal situation...
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07-23-2021, 02:35 PM
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#62
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Except if the Flames are competing for a playoff spot in which case we know that won't happen.
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Once in a while you need to take the bat off your shoulders.
If you lose him for nothing it would likely mean you went on a run and had a great season. There's far more positive or net neutral outcomes here than the potential for this type of deal to burn the team to the point where they've just donated a player and second round pick into the air.
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07-23-2021, 02:39 PM
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#63
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
When you are desperate to "compete" (or whatever it is that we are doing is called), I think that's the sort of deal you make all day... I mean:
1) He might be your top 6 RW solution and will sign long term
2) He might get you some achievement in the field of excellence, in which case you consider this a price worth paying
3) If you fail to "compete" you should be able to flip him for similar or maybe more
The only real risk is injury, but that is always a risk with any asset. So, if you are where the Flames are, this seems an ideal situation...
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And really, what exactly are we even doing if this isn't even a deal the GM should be making in some fans eyes?
Let's not go after game changing (or quite possibly franchise trajectory altering) players because we might have given up Dube and a second round pick for nothing (which ain't happening)? Even at the worst possible outcome this is hardly a franchise crippling happenstance.
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07-23-2021, 02:44 PM
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#64
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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus
Well until highly productive, 26 year old players start going for complete garbage returns at the deadline, you can't really claim that to be reality.
Even so, if you can't confidently make the odd move like this to get your team out of a hole, you don't really deserve to be a GM in this league. More of the same action simply leads to more of the same result.
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What did highly-productive, 26-year-old Mark Stone go for again? Just curious.
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07-23-2021, 02:46 PM
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#65
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Drance reported that it came down to the Canucks and Blues. Blues were willing to offer a roster player, Canucks were not.
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07-23-2021, 02:51 PM
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#66
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Why weren't we in on this...
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07-23-2021, 03:08 PM
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#67
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Why weren't we in on this...
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Only thing that makes sense to me is Buch told the Flames no way on signing
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07-23-2021, 03:09 PM
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#68
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Franchise Player
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I wonder what Calgary's pro scouts didn't like about him? Too big? Too skilled? Too Russian? Should have been in on this one. If he would sign an extension, then you move Dube and the pick, and I'm a big Dube supporter.
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07-23-2021, 03:12 PM
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#69
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
I wonder what Calgary's pro scouts didn't like about him? Too big? Too skilled? Too Russian? Should have been in on this one. If he would sign an extension, then you move Dube and the pick, and I'm a big Dube supporter.
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The one guy in Europe was already drunk and the one in North America is busy trying to find another Pitlick.
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07-23-2021, 03:13 PM
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#70
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Why weren't we in on this...
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Because Tre didn't want to hear the howls of outrage if he was in on it, only for the player to end up elsewhere.
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07-23-2021, 03:17 PM
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#71
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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We've drafted a lot of russians recently. IMO it would really help to have a pro level russian on the team in place to help bring them in. Not only that, but he's big and talented and plays RW naturally... Who gives a rats ####### if he's lhs, Russians always play their off wings (Ovie plays LW even though he's a RHS.)
This one gets me a bit. Even if he is a longshot to resign it would have been worth the sniff.
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07-23-2021, 03:25 PM
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#72
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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I suppose the fact he's Russian makes his RFA negotiation just a little different.
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07-23-2021, 03:30 PM
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#73
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
What did highly-productive, 26-year-old Mark Stone go for again? Just curious.
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You mean, Brannstrom and a late second (the other non NHLers are a wash).
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07-23-2021, 03:32 PM
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#74
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Why weren't we in on this...
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Probably were. Still hopeful we will see something exciting.
Because I was hoping for this player as well.
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07-23-2021, 03:36 PM
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#75
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Tarasenko on the move in 3...2...1.... (likely with salary retained)
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07-23-2021, 08:59 PM
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#76
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Franchise Player
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No more getting older. I'd only do Dube+2nd if we moved Gaudreau for a 1st+Dube-type
Buch has been stapled to Zibanejad and Kreider for a long time. I don't doubt he'd be productive here, but there are no guarantees.
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07-23-2021, 09:03 PM
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#77
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Tarasenko on the move in 3...2...1.... (likely with salary retained)
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St Louis Blues radio (101 ESPN in STL) says Blues willing to retain $2.5M
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07-23-2021, 09:06 PM
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#78
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Blaster86
Drance reported that it came down to the Canucks and Blues. Blues were willing to offer a roster player, Canucks were not.
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Good.
Canucks can rot in hell.
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07-23-2021, 09:19 PM
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#79
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I don't know why, but I had a feeling Buchnevich would go to the Bliues, but I thought Tarasenko would be part of the deal.
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07-23-2021, 09:25 PM
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#80
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I don't know why, but I had a feeling Buchnevich would go to the Bliues, but I thought Tarasenko would be part of the deal.
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That's cause Tarasenko is coming here.
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