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View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade 109 16.80%
Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better 197 30.35%
Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project 187 28.81%
Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back 107 16.49%
Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton 49 7.55%
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:32 PM   #3301
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LOL...Ok.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:35 PM   #3302
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LOL...Ok.
Hey a Flash response!

Why would you say at least four years for a deal that was only four years long before the season started?

Struck me as odd.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:41 PM   #3303
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Hey a Flash response!

Why would you say at least four years for a deal that was only four years long before the season started?

Struck me as odd.
I think he means because if Lucic is bought out it then has an impact for longer than the minimum of 4 years left (including this season).

We do nothing and his contract has 4 remaining years (including this season), buying him out extends his cap for more years.

I think "at least 4 years" applies in transplant's argument.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:43 PM   #3304
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"Because it saved Murray Edwards cash" isn't a compelling argument for Lucic imo.


It is if the flames are run like a team that doesn’t have bottomless pockets and the dollars saved in the deal are put back into the roster.

For example, would you rather have James Neal or TJ Brodie.

That might actually be what the trade off represents and the actual comparison in judging this transaction.


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Old 10-14-2019, 03:49 PM   #3305
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Hey a Flash response!

Why would you say at least four years for a deal that was only four years long before the season started?

Struck me as odd.

At least 4...includes this year. Why wouldn't it? He is here and "playing" and affecting cap levels on this team during this season, then there are 3 more years attached. That will affect the team for at least 4 years.

If there is a buyout....it will be longer.

Seems pretty clear.
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:49 PM   #3306
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Not news: Mike Commodore hates Mike Babcock.

News (?): Refers to Bill "Babcock" Peters and tells a story about how him and James Neal celebrated the Leafs elimination from the playoffs (because of Babcock). Wonder if Neal has a similar Peters story to Commodore's Babcock story.
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Watching the Oil/Hawks game Neal looks way better than he ever did last season. Where was this version of Neal when he was a Flame, frustrating.
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Watching the Oil/Hawks game Neal looks way better than he ever did last season. Where was this version of Neal when he was a Flame, frustrating.
He looks like he is trying way harder but honestly his puck skills look almost just as bad.
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Old 10-14-2019, 07:36 PM   #3309
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Ya he does look a step faster and more physically engaged. It hasn’t really played out in the possession metrics though.


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Old 10-14-2019, 08:12 PM   #3310
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Not news: Mike Commodore hates Mike Babcock.

News (?): Refers to Bill "Babcock" Peters and tells a story about how him and James Neal celebrated the Leafs elimination from the playoffs (because of Babcock). Wonder if Neal has a similar Peters story to Commodore's Babcock story.
On the morning show a while back he touched on this. While he “admitted” that Neal deserves his share of the blame for not being in the shape he should have been, he was very critical of how Peters used Neal.

It was a disaster all around. Neal laid an egg and was useless. The Flames plan in signing they guy didn’t seem well thought out either.
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On the morning show a while back he touched on this. While he “admitted” that Neal deserves his share of the blame for not being in the shape he should have been, he was very critical of how Peters used Neal.

It was a disaster all around. Neal laid an egg and was useless. The Flames plan in signing they guy didn’t seem well thought out either.
When lindholm scores amost ppg, and the 3m line was great, yet the big ufa signing barely comes into camp in shape, and looks like crap for the opportunities provided, what is any coach supposed to do.

Neal sucks, he'll fall back, and when he does, he doesn't have the mental fortitude to claw himself back.
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Maybe if Neal had actually cowboyed-up and gave the coach a reason to use him higher in the lineup, he might still be here. Don Cherry defended Neal saying Calgary should have treated him like a star. Sure, let's give the most useless player on the roster the star treatment. Neal didn't want to be here. He signed the big contract and got out of town. Good riddance.
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:29 PM   #3313
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Nashville left him unprotected
Vegas didn't bring him back

Media narrative right now is he is a star and Calgary blew it...I realize he scored more goals for those teams but they didn't value him all that high either obviously. 30 teams could have had him for free this past summer...likely with salary retained.
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Maybe if Neal had actually cowboyed-up and gave the coach a reason to use him higher in the lineup, he might still be here. Don Cherry defended Neal saying Calgary should have treated him like a star. Sure, let's give the most useless player on the roster the star treatment. Neal didn't want to be here. He signed the big contract and got out of town. Good riddance.
I think Don Cherry was essentially telling the CBC to treat him like a star
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This deal looks worse by the day.

Looks like that 3rd rounder will be coming within the next few weeks.
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Trades are measured using a calendar, not a stopwatch
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This deal looks worse by the day.

Looks like that 3rd rounder will be coming within the next few weeks.
He's going to get over 30 goals. He's already almost 1/3 there half way in October.
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He's going to get over 30 goals. He's already almost 1/3 there half way in October.
He scored 6 goals in his first 4 in Vegas, and 3 goals in his last 3 months

Let’s talk in March
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He scored 6 goals in his first 4 in Vegas, and 3 goals in his last 3 months

Let’s talk in March
Yes. I look forward to some of you running out of excuses.
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Watching Blackhawks game. Neal had 1 shot all game and basically non-existent until PP at the end where he put one in. A mite could have scored that. The real heal.

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