Star Trek Discovery

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If that's the end of it, then she's a waste of a character. I'll be disappointment in that decision.


Outside of 4 or 5 characters, the rest are just lawn furniture that they give the occasional line to. They could have saved some cash by CGI'ing some crew members in who's sole job is to say Aye sir and press some buttons.

Funny, at the end of the episode when they're watching the Buster Keaton movie, I was thinking did all of those people agree to the time jump? I should watch the season 2 finale again. While the bridge crew was acknowledging their own bravery during their dinner, did all of those other crew members just get dragged along into the future without consent?

Also, they were laughing a little too much. I don't think the old classics are *that* hilarious.

[craigwd]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Funny, at the end of the episode when they're watching the Buster Keaton movie, I was thinking did all of those people agree to the time jump? I should watch the season 2 finale again. While the bridge crew was acknowledging their own bravery during their dinner, did all of those other crew members just get dragged along into the future without consent?

Also, they were laughing a little too much. I don't think the old classics are *that* hilarious.

I thought the same thing in the first episode. The S2 finale made it look like only the bridge crew agreed to remain on board and now the whole crew decided within a few seconds to abandon their families?

Also last week we saw Tilly bemoaning the death of dozens of crew members. Did they die during the time jump?

[Tabaracci_31]

Just caught up on the last two episodes of Discovery. This season feels like a huge improvement. I’m really impressed. Episode 4 is one of my favourite episodes of the whole series. I agree, it seemed too convenient to send Michael to Trill but I think they used her well there. Aka, they didn’t lay it on thick with her. I loved the Saru/Culber pairing. Great stuff from everyone involved. I feel like the show is finally finding itself.

[Super-Rye]

So I just watched the first season and...it was definitely something.

Someone please tell me this show gets better.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

So I just watched the first season and...it was definitely something.

Someone please tell me this show gets better.

S2 is slightly better. S3 has been very good so far.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by direwolf

S2 is slightly better. S3 has been very good so far.

Works for me.

I watched Voyager so I'd probably keep watching regardless but season 1 was Nic Cage levels of terrible and it kinda popped me on the fence.

[CaptainCrunch]

Pretty good episode tonight. For some reason the writing is a lot better this season. Though there's still too much Burnham is awesome speech making. But there's growing problems between Saru and Burnham. When does she do another end around on him and take command.


Really nice tribute tonight to actor Aaron Eisenberg who played Nog on DS9, when we saw the USS Nog. He sounds like he was a genuienly great guy.


I groaned when I saw the Voyager J. Really.


Interesting to see David Cronenberg on the show. I have questions about who he is.


Not a bad season so far, far superior to the terrible first season and underwhelming second.


Good to see.

[direwolf]

Yea, that was another solid episode tonight. The show seems to have finally found its legs, and I'm really starting to enjoy the chemistry between the characters.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Pretty good episode tonight. For some reason the writing is a lot better this season. Though there's still too much Burnham is awesome speech making. But there's growing problems between Saru and Burnham. When does she do another end around on him and take command.

Really nice tribute tonight to actor Aaron Eisenberg who played Nog on DS9, when we saw the USS Nog. He sounds like he was a genuienly great guy.

I groaned when I saw the Voyager J. Really.

The show almost reached self-awareness about the Burnham part too when the EMH was telling Burnham that she was "prone to emotional exaggeration", but just almost.

The Nog was pretty cool, he must have done some really great stuff after DS9 ended to still have a ship named after him a thousand years later. Lots of reference a whole bunch of stuff from previous Treks, like them fighting a Temporal War for the better part of a the century before the Burn. Definitely more interested this season than the first one.

David Cronenberg's gotta be with future Section 31 right?

[CaptainCrunch]

Considering they're making a Section 31 series with her, yeah, Its either that or he's another mirror universe refugee.


They were really close on Burnham. She's been a bit better, but she's had these moments in every episode of blindingly bad over acting that pulls you out of things.


Ok fun speculation time


Detner

Spoiler!

She's got control in her implant and its trying to take control over her. I hope not, but we saw Ash suppossedly suffering from PTSD but it turns out that his issues were around his Klingon self trying to assert control over the Human overlay. I hope not, but I would leave it to these writers to do this.

The Burn

Spoiler!

I have this theory that it links back to Voyager and the Omega Particle, which was an artificial substance so powerful that a molecule of it could potentially destroy a quadrant. The other effect that they talked about in Voyager was that the explosion of a Omega Particle that the Borg had stabilzed briefly created warp disruptions and disruppted subspace communications.


So taking it further.


What if the Borg who were obsessed with it caused the Burn either intentionally or by accident and what if they're looking in the worng place and that Dilithium isn't damaged, but that its no longer possible to travel by Warp. The Borg would get around that because they don't use Warp as much as transwarp conduits which I think are stable self created tunnels through space time.


Or what if we do a further link back to Generations and a anti-warp terrorist group caused galaxy wide inabilities to go to warp and communicate by harnessing Omega.


Just some speculation.

[Shazam]

I think you're right about Detner, on the second point I think

Spoiler!

The Borg probably use dilithium on their ships, some species went all-out to destroy them even at the cost of all other species ability to travel.

This season has been shockingly good. Back to "real" Trek, even back to TOS in the way they frame a lot of the shots. Does tell you though how they really boxed themselves in the first two seasons with the hindrance of being a prequel.

[FlameOn]

Just shows you how bad Fuller and Harberts were as show runners for the first couple of seasons. The random, abusive and toxic work environments really messed up the direction for the show.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Shazam

I think you're right about Detner, on the second point I think

Spoiler!

The Borg probably use dilithium on their ships, some species went all-out to destroy them even at the cost of all other species ability to travel.

This season has been shockingly good. Back to "real" Trek, even back to TOS in the way they frame a lot of the shots. Does tell you though how they really boxed themselves in the first two seasons with the hindrance of being a prequel.

I looked it up, and its not clear

Spoiler!

But it seems to indicate that the Borg transwarp technology was achieved by using transwarp coils to create stable Conduits through space time. They merely had to enter the Transwarp conduit and it boosted them to fantastic speeds. I didn't see anywhere, where they used normal warp technology or dilithium.



Of course, SuperJaneway destroyed the Transwarp hub collapsing their network so its possible that the Borg went back to normal warp travel, which needed the crystals to regulate the Warp reaction.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I looked it up, and its not clear

Spoiler!

But it seems to indicate that the Borg transwarp technology was achieved by using transwarp coils to create stable Conduits through space time. They merely had to enter the Transwarp conduit and it boosted them to fantastic speeds. I didn't see anywhere, where they used normal warp technology or dilithium.



Of course, SuperJaneway destroyed the Transwarp hub collapsing their network so its possible that the Borg went back to normal warp travel, which needed the crystals to regulate the Warp reaction.

Spoiler!

I figure they'll just say that the Borg used dilithium. It's never been specific. I have a feeling they need to get rid of them as they're simply too powerful of an enemy.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Spoiler!

I figure they'll just say that the Borg used dilithium. It's never been specific. I have a feeling they need to get rid of them as they're simply too powerful of an enemy.

Well they really weren't once Voyager got through with them. Jane Way ripped their guts out, destroyed their transwarp hub. Stole their Technology somehow melding it with Federation technology in a matter of hours, making Voyager nearly indestructible with a one shot capability of destroying Borg cubes.


If we went with that theory, why hadn't Star fleet gone away from Warp to Transwarp after Janeway got Voyager home?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Well they really weren't once Voyager got through with them. Jane Way ripped their guts out, destroyed their transwarp hub. Stole their Technology somehow melding it with Federation technology in a matter of hours, making Voyager nearly indestructible with a one shot capability of destroying Borg cubes.


If we went with that theory, why hadn't Star fleet gone away from Warp to Transwarp after Janeway got Voyager home?

The V’draysh would find using transwarp conduits sneaky, just like cloaking devices and rechargeable shields.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Well they really weren't once Voyager got through with them. Jane Way ripped their guts out, destroyed their transwarp hub. Stole their Technology somehow melding it with Federation technology in a matter of hours, making Voyager nearly indestructible with a one shot capability of destroying Borg cubes.


If we went with that theory, why hadn't Star fleet gone away from Warp to Transwarp after Janeway got Voyager home?

Some treaty to make Starfleet not super overpowered? Like writers put in the Treaty of Algernon and stopped Starfleet from having cloaking devices, Temporal accords banning time travel technology. I could see other powers trying to force a treaty after seeing this super overpowered future tech Starfleet ship come and blow up like half the Borg collective, and the Federation accepting the treaty for the sake of peace regardless of consequences (Cardassian/Federation peace treaty stranding Federation outposts in the DMZ spawning the Maquis)

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Waitaminute.....

NSFW!

Romulan warp core use a quantum singularity. Dilthium free I believe.


And the name of the Episode 3 shows from now is Unification III?

Hail Romulus?

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

Waitaminute.....

NSFW!

Romulan warp core use a quantum singularity. Dilthium free I believe.


And the name of the Episode 3 shows from now is Unification III?

Hail Romulus?

Show is in the prime timeline, so Romulus was still obliterated by a supernova like 600 years before the current Discovery time period.

[Wormius]

Bold prediction:

They caused The Burn. I am not sure how yet, but might have been another escape from Control and having to choose between “some deaths” vs “end of all organic life”.

Cronenberg was cool.