View Poll Results: Pick the best prospect from the following
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Adam Ruzicka
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4 |
1.83% |
Alexander Yelesin
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11 |
5.05% |
Andrew Nielsen
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0 |
0% |
Artyom Zagidulin
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8 |
3.67% |
Carl-Johan Lerby
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0 |
0% |
Demetrios Koumontzis
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14 |
6.42% |
Dmitry Zavgorodniy
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42 |
19.27% |
Dustin Wolf
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3 |
1.38% |
Eetu Tuulola
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7 |
3.21% |
Filip Sveningsson
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16 |
7.34% |
Glenn Gawdin
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7 |
3.21% |
Jeremy McKenna
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2 |
0.92% |
Jon Gillies
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20 |
9.17% |
Josh Nodler
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0 |
0% |
Justin Kirkland
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0 |
0% |
Linus Lindstrom
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1 |
0.46% |
Lucas Feuk
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0 |
0% |
Luke Philp
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0 |
0% |
Martin Pospisil
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77 |
35.32% |
Milos Roman
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0 |
0% |
Mitchell Mattson
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0 |
0% |
Nick Schneider
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0 |
0% |
Pavel Karnaukhov
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0 |
0% |
Rinat Valiev
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1 |
0.46% |
Ryan Lomberg
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5 |
2.29% |
Spencer Foo
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0 |
0% |
07-16-2019, 11:47 AM
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#21
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by savardandjokinen
Why is gillies getting any love? His stats were brutal in the AHL last year
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I don't have him this high but goalies are weird and you can really never write them off. See Binnington, Jordan.
In 17-18 Rittich had a .889 save percentage in his 12 games in the AHL, and a .904 in his NHL starts.
Then he came in and was great for us last year.
In 18-19 Gillies had a .889 save percentage in the AHL...remains to be seen if he can bounce back for us like Rittich did.
In the three seasons in the AHL prior to last year Gillies had a .914 save percentage so the potential is still there. My biggest concern with Gillies has been that he's looked nervous, and jittery in his NHL starts - and so much of being a goalie is mental.
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07-16-2019, 12:14 PM
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#22
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Aug 2009
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I don't see Buddy Robinson's name. Or is he no longer with the organization or not considered a prospect?
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07-16-2019, 12:17 PM
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#23
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by WilliPlett
I don't see Buddy Robinson's name. Or is he no longer with the organization or not considered a prospect?
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Buddy Robinson will be 28 at the start of the season. He has one year left on his deal but personally I don't think he's a prospect.
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07-16-2019, 12:45 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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I didn't vote Gillies, but he is absolutely still a good goalie prospect. I was never too high on him even when Weisbrod called him Calgary's best prospect back in the day, but I do think he will become an NHL'er. He just has to stay healthy. He was still a bit raw when he got called up to the NHL, but he looked like a promising goalie then.
It will be interesting to see where all the goalies land this year, especially him.
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07-16-2019, 01:15 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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I think all our goalie prospects are better than they've shown behind a not so good d-corps. It's no coincidence they all started playing better with Dube and Valimaki down their.
That said I haven't voted for any goalie yet, and won't for a few more rounds, but I still believe in Gillies. Even though realistically I'm not sure I even see him in the organization this fall, I think he could easily land a backup spot in a year or two. Think he gets a Kulak type trade to try and give him a chance elsewhere though
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07-16-2019, 01:42 PM
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#26
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Participant
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Bored so I’m going to mention my confusion on your reference to a goalie who didn’t sniff the NHL until a decade after he was drafted, and was never developed by his draft team.
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Picked out a random goalie who made the NHL later than most and went on to have a successful career.
It's not like I was overwhelmed with options. I guess maybe of the guys playing today the only kind of comparable to that trajectory would be... Thomas Greiss? kinda?
Basically, I'm saying his name isn't Thomas Gillies so he's screwed.
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07-16-2019, 01:50 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hes
I think Yelesin is being overlooked here because no one has seen him. He has been playing against men in the KHL. Has a hard shot and completely destroyed Yakupov. Could slide into the lineup as soon as next season.
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I have voted for him the last 4 rounds because he sure seems to be the likeliest to be an NHLer.
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07-16-2019, 01:55 PM
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#28
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
For every Tim Thomas, there are 100 Leland Irvings.
"Not completely out of place, but underwhelming" just doesn't generally spell a 25-year-old goalie on the brink of success.
I'd be ecstatic to be wrong, though. I just understand why Gillies is getting no love.
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I don't have high expectations for anyone left on the list, not at this point anyways. That includes Gillies. Of the available options, and with the information available I would say Gillies has the highest likelihood of having the most successful NHL career... even if that means he bounces around the league as a backup for a few years and then moves to the KHL.
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07-16-2019, 02:00 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Gillies never "looked" amazing even when he was a higher-ranked Flames prospect, IMO. At this point ehat he has done is no more impressive than Zagidulin/Schneider/Wolf. Heck Schneider was probably our best goalie in the AHL last year in the time he was called up, so if any goalie should be getting a vote it is him.
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07-16-2019, 02:47 PM
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#30
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Picked out a random goalie who made the NHL later than most and went on to have a successful career.
It's not like I was overwhelmed with options. I guess maybe of the guys playing today the only kind of comparable to that trajectory would be... Thomas Greiss? kinda?
Basically, I'm saying his name isn't Thomas Gillies so he's screwed.
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Binnington man!
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07-16-2019, 02:57 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
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I have a pack of players pretty much all even. Essentially picking whoever I see first.
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07-16-2019, 03:26 PM
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#32
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Participant
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Binnington man!
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Yeah I've mentioned Binnington before, the only problem being he's only 6 months older than Gillies and impressed in his first real shot at the NHL after being one of the best goalies in the AHL for a couple of years.
Even Binnington was a longshot. There were plenty of people talking about him being potentially having to go back to the ECHL or traded to fill another AHL spot as recently as last season. Most people were pegging his ceiling as NHL backup. Binnington proved them wrong.
Just to get to the position Binnington was at to be able to prove them wrong, though, Gillies has a lot of work to do. Like Binnington, he's more in danger of being replaced at the AHL level as it stands right now.
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07-17-2019, 12:44 AM
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#33
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First Line Centre
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Martin Pospisil
Passable two-way utility player but a loose cannon. Big on-ice discipline issues but deserves a pile of credit for reigning that in relative to last year (still wild compared to peers). Despite that, his per-TOI production is very very impressive, even if his individual ability to generate shots is average. Excellent on the powerplay. If he can improve his skating, and pick his spots of aggression a bit better - which should come with maturity - he could be a coveted player with a mean streak who can also contribute offensively. I see him playing wing full-time as a pro.
Ceiling: 2nd line W/pest
Probable: 3/4 line W
Floor: Loose cannon bust
Also in consideration
Adam Ruzicka
He's big, he has decent hands and offensively ability, he is decent in his own end...but his attitude and commitment are concerns. He isn't always engaged and is easily rattled and knocked off his game, and when that happens he looks like a beer league player during a 10:45 PM weekday game going through the motions to get home ASAP. But when he is on he can drive a line and contribute at both ends of the ice. 32 even-strength goals in 65 games is impressive as is generating over 3.5 shots per game, while also having decent vision. Excellent in the dot, too. If he can get the mental side figured out he has a good shot at making it. If not, he'll be saying "what if" when he looks back on things later in life.
Ceiling: 2nd line C
Probable: 4A C
Floor: Outright bust
Jeremy McKenna
One dimensional goal scorer but scoring goals is the most difficult skill in hockey. Excellent at getting open and finding gaps in coverage which allows him to get his hard and accurate shot off. Also terrific on the powerplay. But, his defensive shortcomings significantly reduce his probability of success. Hockey is full of junior snipers who didn't pan out, but there are a few who have turned into mighty good scorers. Over 5 shots per game is insane.
Ceiling: 2nd line W
Probable: Tweener
Floor: Outright bust
Dmitry Zavgorodniy
Started the year on fire giving unrealistic hope and ended the year the opposite giving unrealistic doubt. In the end, over the course of a better season-long sample, what we saw is likely an accurate representation with a couple notes. While his counting stats may leave a bit to be desired, there are two reasons for optimism. First, he's settled in as a left-winger but the unfortunate result of that is being permanently assigned to the 2/3-LW due to trending future superstar Alexis Lafreniere obviously holding down 1-LW. Second, he's a very late birth being just a month away from the 2019 draft. Unfortunately barring a trade he will be back on the 2nd line, with the lower quality teammates and less icetime that comes with it, for another season.
Ceiling: 2B/3A W
Probable: Tweener then KHL
Floor: Bust straight to KHL
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07-17-2019, 01:06 AM
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#34
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All I can get
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Martin Pospisil is an interesting prospect even though I did not vote for him this round. As mentioned by others, he's a bit of a loose cannon. So, a project of sorts.
Reign in his wilder instincts and round out other aspects of his game and the Flames could have themselves a player that other teams hate to compete against.
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07-17-2019, 05:31 AM
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#35
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First Line Centre
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I don’t know who to pick anymore. I can see picking Zavgorodniy, Pospisil, Yelesin, Zagidulin, Sveningsson, Lerby and Koumintzis.
Last edited by Nelson; 07-17-2019 at 06:08 AM.
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