McDowell was in Generations, and I felt he was a pretty one dimensional villain. Was I supposed to sympathize with him, was I supposed to see him as anything but a villain? If so, that failed for me, among other major issues with that movie.
(That being said, watching the Enterprise crash sequence will never get old for me.)
Yeah I hated that stupid looking flying hotel with the stupid bridge separation.
I cheered when it plowed into the ground and then the whole crew got vaporized.
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I'm not sure if a show where everybody is immortal thanks to the superblood, and can transport throughout the universe at will has much of a chance either.
Would this be in the same timeframe as the 'new' TOS? Or would they bounce ahead a hundred years, to where Picard is a junior lieutenant in the astrophysics department, and Riker is a condescending knob to him?
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I feel TNG has been done to death. DS9 and Voyager are from the same era.
I feel like the era between OS and TNG hasn't really been covered and could present a solid option, but Kirk and some of the OG crew will have to have parts to play as they're all in admiralty. So I'd pass.
IMO, You have to jump ahead another generation. New Flagship, new crew, everything.
Skip ahead 100 years and bam! you're checking out new Galaxies, Not just quadrants or systems in your own. All the major players have formed a greater alliance group , the borg are nothing but bugs on a windshield now because they've prevented assimilation like it was a cold.
There's endless angles you can take with a new series. And seeing as it is a web series. Theres a good chance we can get some real grit into the series like its an HBO show.
I'm not sure if a show where everybody is immortal thanks to the superblood, and can transport throughout the universe at will has much of a chance either.
I forgot about that...they seemed to have conveniently forgotten they had this technology...Was there some kind of reason why they can't always do this?
Instead the show will show up as part of the JJ Abrams universe.
Its the Worf show
Hey its Worf
Its the Worf show
His sons a tool
His wife's a drunk
He's a captain of a rowboat
and has wacky adventures
Its the Worf show
With special guest star Patrick Stewart as President Jean Luc-Picard
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There's endless angles you can take with a new series. And seeing as it is a web series. Theres a good chance we can get some real grit into the series like its an HBO show.
The best Star Trek is still the television series. Deep Space Nine, in particular. Watched it over the last couple years with my dad, just an excellent show with great characters and plotlines (if only they didn't ruin Dukat at the end...).
I am hoping for a prime timeline show, set after the destruction of Romulus. But honestly, I'm just happy they're making something. I've been waiting a long time. I would trade the rest of the shows on TV for a new Star Trek series.
I like Star Trek, except for the things that make it Trek. Things like Newtonian Physics, ships always lining up to each other, all aliens just being people with different forehead bumps or ears that were thinly veiled analogies, and that the Federation (Americans) were this perfect flawless people that knew better than everyone else.
What I liked about Trek was the episodes where characters had to make tough choices.
TOS - Watched in full, but no interest, generally not a fan of older television shows
TNG - My favorite for the cast/characters
DS9 - Decent overall, but didn't quite like the overall tone and religious aspects
VOY - Liked the overall tone, the technology aspects and the overall story of returning home, but didn't like some of the cast/characters
ST:E - Somewhat interesting but kind of fell flat
So for the next show I'd like something with good characters/actors, set in the future, and good overall story arch. Not much to ask
They have tried to explain the similarity in the physical nature of most of the races in Star Trek a couple of times. In the television universe, there was an episode that was a treasure hunt, to which many dominant races believed would be a great weapon of some kind, that turned out to be proof that the major species were related and 'seeded' billions of years ago by a powerful omniscient race that had left the galaxy.
This follows the plotline of a book that was written as a sequel to the episode in the original series, City on the Edge of Forever. The Gateway of Forever, a time travel device, was also a remnant of these ancient powerful beings, and the seeding of the galaxy was also discussed there.
I tend to agree with most people's belief that DS9 and TNG were both strong (intermingled with some moments of weakness). Voyager had good ideas at times, but was generally trash, and ST : E was tragically cut short before we even knew what it could be. It might be worth taking a second look at TOS. I am amazed at the quality of some of the writing on that show, and the quality of production (considering the budget) is at times quite astonishing. Star Trek has been chasing the chemistry between Kirk, Spock and Bones, since that first year.
Edit : Sorry, sort of misread your meaning. The thinly veiled parallels to various people throughout history was something I actually liked. Romulans being Roman, and such. It added immediate backstory to each race. TNG got away from that, and made everyone similar. Klingons were angry humans, Romulans were political humans, the Borg was Apple. The Federation was clearly American, but I think the perfection thing was more an indication of Roddenberry's future vision of the human race. The Federation as American in today's world, transposed onto Star Trek, would be a much more interesting animal.
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TOS - Watched in full, but no interest, generally not a fan of older television shows
TNG - My favorite for the cast/characters
DS9 - Decent overall, but didn't quite like the overall tone and religious aspects
VOY - Liked the overall tone, the technology aspects and the overall story of returning home, but didn't like some of the cast/characters
ST:E - Somewhat interesting but kind of fell flat
So for the next show I'd like something with good characters/actors, set in the future, and good overall story arch. Not much to ask
And Time travel. If theres no Time Travel then I'm out.
Seeing as this show is supposed to be set in the Abrams Universe I can hardly wait until the Enterprise teleports through a rift in space/time because Wesley grabbed them and brought them to the normal Universe to help 'Grand Supreme Admiral and Unquestioned Federation Dictator For Life' Riker conquer some unsuspecting race that refused to pay fealty.
Now that would be a show.
Riker: Admiral Chekov, kill them all! If you need me I'll be plowing the Enterprise into the side of a cliff. Thats just how I roll.
I'm sure Frakes could use the work.
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They have tried to explain the similarity in the physical nature of most of the races in Star Trek a couple of times. In the television universe, there was an episode that was a treasure hunt, to which many dominant races believed would be a great weapon of some kind, that turned out to be proof that the major species were related and 'seeded' billions of years ago by a powerful omniscient race that had left the galaxy.
This follows the plotline of a book that was written as a sequel to the episode in the original series, City on the Edge of Forever. The Gateway of Forever, a time travel device, was also a remnant of these ancient powerful beings, and the seeding of the galaxy was also discussed there.
I tend to agree with most people's belief that DS9 and TNG were both strong (intermingled with some moments of weakness). Voyager had good ideas at times, but was generally trash, and ST : E was tragically cut short before we even knew what it could be. It might be worth taking a second look at TOS. I am amazed at the quality of some of the writing on that show, and the quality of production (considering the budget) is at times quite astonishing. Star Trek has been chasing the chemistry between Kirk, Spock and Bones, since that first year.
Edit : Sorry, sort of misread your meaning. The thinly veiled parallels to various people throughout history was something I actually liked. Romulans being Roman, and such. It added immediate backstory to each race. TNG got away from that, and made everyone similar. Klingons were angry humans, Romulans were political humans, the Borg was Apple. The Federation was clearly American, but I think the perfection thing was more an indication of Roddenberry's future vision of the human race. The Federation as American in today's world, transposed onto Star Trek, would be a much more interesting animal.
I know they explained it, but doesn't mean I have to like it. They also tried to explain on Enterprise why they couldn’t afford forehead ridge make-up for Klingons on the TOS. I want to see alien worlds with weird aliens, not earth-like worlds with earth-like people. The possibilities of different types of alien life is only as limited as the writers’ imagination, but for some reason Trek always default to bumped head people who are somehow flawed compared to the Americans. I want to see liquid methane aquatics, photosynthesizing cloud animals, hive-mind insect civilizations, etc. Also, how about throwing in some modern physics with time dilation, causality, different sequence of events depending on the observer, etc.? Something as simple as a ship that’s helpless falling into a black hole, but from the Enterprises perspective it been struck above the event horizon for hundreds (or thousands) of years, could make a fascinating episode.
TOS - Watched in full, but no interest, generally not a fan of older television shows
TNG - My favorite for the cast/characters
DS9 - Decent overall, but didn't quite like the overall tone and religious aspects
VOY - Liked the overall tone, the technology aspects and the overall story of returning home, but didn't like some of the cast/characters
ST:E - Somewhat interesting but kind of fell flat
So for the next show I'd like something with good characters/actors, set in the future, and good overall story arch. Not much to ask
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TOS - loved the first year, sadly the second year had a lot of bad hits because of budget cuts, and we ended up with some truly terrible episodes. None of the other series ever replicated the easy chemistry of this first cast, and the easy mixture of humor and seriousness and some of the outstanding storylines. Some of the best episodes were the simplest ones. None of the other series can ever touch episodes like balance of terror, space seed, city on the edge of forever, mirror mirror or piece of the action (funniest episode)
TNG - Had some good moments, but they took the whole benevolent humanity too far and it became bland and colorness. They had some very good episodes, but overall the show to me was just meh. In later years it really became the Picard and Data show, and the other cast members were basically clothes hangers
DS9 - Loved this show because it was very dark and really took off in the later years. Humanity was certainly flawed throughout this season. Sisco was the best Captain in my opinion after Kirk. He was willing to betray himself to win, when he basically deceived the Romulans and stood by while the Ambassador was killed. We saw secret cabals and coupe attempts and Humanity in a fight for survival. But they had some great and funny episodes. The baseball game was one of my favorite episodes.
Voyager - To me utter crap that took the whole technology pull miracles out of your butt thing from TNG to a stupid height. Every week they were re calibrating the main deflector array. I never thought that this crew had great chemistry or charisma. They could have really taken this in some amazing directions, but instead it felt like a badly constructed Bing and Cosby on the road to movie.
Enterpise - Had great potential, of mans first steps into deep space, and threw it away. I think they panicked when they had the time travel arc with the Nazi's and never got it back. The acting just wasn't that good, nor was the premise. They actually came together briefly in the mirror universe storyline, but that was a short arc. The worst of the series to be honest.
My rankings
TOS
DS9
TNG
Voyager
Enterprise
TOS animated series.
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Pseudo - If you haven't already seen Farscape and to a lesser extent Andromeda, I recommend them as being exactly what you are looking for. Farscape is nearly on par with Firefly.
Crunch - Agree with your rankings completely, with one covet; that being Enterprise. I got the feeling that Manny Coto got through the last season, cleaned up all of the previous mess, told the cast and crew that they were set to have an amazing last three seasons to totally redeem themselves, and then were cancelled. I give Enterprise an asterisk next to their ranking.
And no love for Animated Series? They had personal force fields!
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One of my favorite DS9 episodes no one ever mentions is 'Badda Bing Badda Boom'. Vic Fontaine gets in trouble and the whole crew gets together to pull off an elaborate heist in his casino to save him and the program. Just a really fun episode.
Plus you get this awesome crew shot with awesome music
And it ends with the only time a captain actually sings. And Avery Brooks is pretty good!
The episode 'Call to Arms' has the best cliffhanger in Star Trek (yes, ahead of Best of Both Worlds)
I just loved DS9.
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Just echoing what others have said about Voyager... seriously the characters were horrible and they had near zero character development. Like really at the end of the series what do we know Chakotay for except his native American hallucinations and dremcatchers? lol
DS9 was fantastic, dark and actually showed the Federation in a realistic and desperate light.
