09-17-2015, 10:34 AM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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ESPN Insider (not a member) on Worst Free Agents
Can't read it but the opening is puzzling.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/insid...-offseason-nhl
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By and large, the perception within hockey's analytics community is that NHL front offices got things right this free agent season. Using a variety of statistical methods, the number-crunchers I polled could only find serious concerns with about a handful of deals, and could identify only two teams that might have made multiple errors -- Calgary and Colorado.
To arrive at these results, a diverse mega-panel of 34 prominent hockey statisticians was convened, and asked to either approve, disapprove, or express neutrality on this summer's 44 free-agent signings that involved an annual cap hit of at least $2 million, made on or after July 1. Each of these analysts used standards and approaches of their own choosing, but set aside unmeasurable factors such as heart, grit, leadership, and clutch play.
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Huh?
Isn't Frolik the only signing, and a solid possession player?
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09-17-2015, 10:36 AM
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#2
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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I'm guessing they're talking about Bouma, but Bouma's analytics are very misleading so NBD.
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09-17-2015, 10:36 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Flame Country
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It's ESPN. They are more into TMZ style reporting than actually talking about sports.
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09-17-2015, 10:42 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Ontario
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In the article they pinpoint Ramo as the 3rd worst signing with the concern that there were better goalies available for cheaper. The only backup for this was looking at save percentage so take it for what it's worth. Nothing in the article mentions Frolik or Bouma.
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09-17-2015, 10:44 AM
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Franchise Player
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Ramo is probably overpaid. But he was already property of the Flames so they didn't give anything up to acquire him before signing him.
Flames aren't in cap trouble, so the signing works.
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09-17-2015, 10:47 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
Ramo is probably overpaid. But he was already property of the Flames so they didn't give anything up to acquire him before signing him.
Flames aren't in cap trouble, so the signing works.
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I was thinking it had to be Ramo, but after his play in the playoffs maybe they're expecting big things from him?
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09-17-2015, 10:48 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
In the article they pinpoint Ramo as the 3rd worst signing with the concern that there were better goalies available for cheaper. The only backup for this was looking at save percentage so take it for what it's worth. Nothing in the article mentions Frolik or Bouma.
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what are the aforementioned "multiple errors" then, according to them?
Ramo might be overpaid, but it's a 1 year deal, so who cares?
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09-17-2015, 10:48 AM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: section 219
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Kari Ramo was number 3 on worst signings of the summer.
The main contention is that we could have got a goaltender with a better save percentage over the time he is been back in the NHL for much cheaper.
They used Griess and McElhinney as examples of Goalies with comparable, but better save percentages, over the same period that signed for less then 2 million.
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09-17-2015, 10:48 AM
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I believe in the Jays.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
I'm guessing they're talking about Bouma
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Maybe Ramo as well... If you see Ramo strictly as a back-up then he does cost way to much (although considering that the Flames were in no danger of going over the cap this year and it's just a 1 year deal I don't have a problem with it).
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09-17-2015, 10:49 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin
Kari Ramo was number 3 on worst signings of the summer.
The main contention is that we could have got a goaltender with a better save percentage over the time he is been back in the NHL for much cheaper.
They used Griess and McElhinney as examples of Goalies with comparable, but better save percentages, over the same period that signed for less then 2 million.
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Thing is, save percentages won't tell you which backup goaltenders can take over as starters, their mental makeup, their work ethic, how they perform when the book on them is out there, etc. That's why guys like Scrivens and Fasth have been such disasters up North. We know for a fact that Ramo is a proven goaltender whose save percentage is more an indictment on how bad our middle and bottom pairings were defensively than how "average" he is.
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Last edited by GranteedEV; 09-17-2015 at 10:52 AM.
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09-17-2015, 10:51 AM
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Their List:
1. Francois Beauchemin
2. Matt Beleskey
3. Karri Ramo
4. Paul Martin
5. Blake Comeau
HM: Brad Richardson, Eric Fehr
TBH, their justification is whack. Ramo got a one-year deal from a team that will have no trouble finding that space for this season. The goalie market this off-season saw backups traded for ridiculous prices. The Flames rightfully played it safe because our future number one is already inside the organization.
I would rathe overpay Ramo slightly (for one season) than give up assets for a backup from another team.
The article is also riddled with spelling mistakes and is not of the quality I come to expect from ESPN Insider.
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09-17-2015, 10:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freakinsaprikin
Kari Ramo was number 3 on worst signings of the summer.
The main contention is that we could have got a goaltender with a better save percentage over the time he is been back in the NHL for much cheaper.
They used Griess and McElhinney as examples of Goalies with comparable, but better save percentages, over the same period that signed for less then 2 million.
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And that is exactly why you need to look at more than stats in this game..
McElhinney had a career year last year, but shows no signs of being an NHL starter. Ramo has already shown more in less NHL time.
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09-17-2015, 10:57 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Isn't ESPN's opinion on Hockey irrelevant?
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09-17-2015, 10:58 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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While it is ESPN, article is written by Rob Vollman. A guy who Rob Kerr brings on Fan 960 regularly.
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09-17-2015, 11:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch
In the article they pinpoint Ramo as the 3rd worst signing with the concern that there were better goalies available for cheaper. The only backup for this was looking at save percentage so take it for what it's worth. Nothing in the article mentions Frolik or Bouma.
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So we're singled out as one of the teams that made a huge mistake - and it's all because we signed a goalie who performed pretty well for us last season to a 1 year deal worth less than 4M?
ESPN, you just don't get it.
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09-17-2015, 11:02 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Bouma is the 2nd culprit on his list as he mentions Bouma in an example and says that contract just missed the top 5 list.
Personally i don't think either deal is really that bad.
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09-17-2015, 11:02 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
Their List:
1. Francois Beauchemin
2. Matt Beleskey
3. Karri Ramo
4. Paul Martin
5. Blake Comeau
HM: Brad Richardson, Eric Fehr
TBH, their justification is whack. Ramo got a one-year deal from a team that will have no trouble finding that space for this season. The goalie market this off-season saw backups traded for ridiculous prices. The Flames rightfully played it safe because our future number one is already inside the organization.
I would rathe overpay Ramo slightly (for one season) than give up assets for a backup from another team.
The article is also riddled with spelling mistakes and is not of the quality I come to expect from ESPN Insider.
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Pretty much this, and in the meantime we keep a known quantity instead of gambling on someone else.
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09-17-2015, 11:09 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
While it is ESPN, article is written by Rob Vollman. A guy who Rob Kerr brings on Fan 960 regularly.
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Vollman is one of the worst guests on the Fan and I've stopped listening to Kerr in the afternoons because of these guys he keeps bringing on. Vollman and Thoman Drance are the two people that make me change the station when they come on. If I don't I end up yelling at the radio.
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09-17-2015, 11:12 AM
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#19
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
The article is also riddled with spelling mistakes and is not of the quality I come to expect from ESPN Insider.
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Come to think of it, that's exactly what I come to expect from an ESPN Insider covering hockey.
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09-17-2015, 11:20 AM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: I went west as a young man
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
While it is ESPN, article is written by Rob Vollman. A guy who Rob Kerr brings on Fan 960 regularly.
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Rob's a habs fan. What does he know!
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