[Signing] Avs sign Kylington to 1 yr deal $1.05 mil

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

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By eating up $2.5AAV for two years, and playing 33 games. By paying lip service that he would re-sign and wanted to stay in Calgary, when if he was more forthcoming like Tkachuk, we could've tried to flip him at the deadline.

If that cap space was important to the team, they could have put him on LTIR. They didn't, so they obviously didn't need it, so his cap hit is irrelevant.

[Housley4Prez]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Put it this way...if Erik Gustafsson had got a two year deal for this money played 33 games and put up 6 points, how would fans view the result of that contract.

Yeah I had some higher hopes that Kylington could become a good complement number 4 type and it didn't work out. I'll bitch about the misfortune of the situation because I don't think Treliving or the player did anything wrong. Just how it worked out.

This is an accurate take. The white knights who jump in to blow the Kylington trumpet here is unlike I've ever seen with any other player. It's not like he was the second coming of Nik Lidstrom.

I get it why people who have suffered mental health issues, or know people who have, quickly rush to defend Kylington. But the details as they've been shared are murky at best, and disappointing at worst. If he was a dumpy dude who looked like Phil Kessel but played like David Hale, I don't think he'd get the overrated love that he gets. Letting him walk was fine. Wringing our hands over losing such an oddly beloved player, makes little sense.

Eating the $2.5 AAV for two seasons while we were pressed against the cap DID hurt the team. That's a fact. We finished 2 points short of the playoffs in 2022-23, and didn't have space to add at the deadline. Part of that constraint was caused by the Flames NOT putting OK on the LTIR.

As last season dwindled down, Kylington paid lip service to his loyalty to the team, which turned out to be a mirage. His actions spoke clearly better than his carefully selected words.

[FunkMasterFlame]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

I don't think we can say it was a gamble or a dumb move on his part without knowing the full story. It seems pretty clear he didn't have much intent on staying in Calgary - maybe his preference was to be in Sweden instead of the NHL which led to him and his agents asking for more term and money than most thought was warranted, knowing he could fallback on returning home.

I don't know about that, from everything he said during the season it seems he was intent on returning to the Flames.

Originally Posted by Feb 23, 2024

“I think everyone knows that I want to be a part of this team and this organization,” Kylington said. “The organization, my teammates and coaches and fans, the love that they have been giving me, I just want to do what I can to return the favour. I think it’s a very genuine relationship on all terms, and I want to do my best to try to help our team win in any situation. So I think they know where my loyalty is.

“We’ll see what happens in the off-season or coming up here with the trading deadline. That’s out of my control. I can’t control that, but I’m just trying to show with my play.”

Originally Posted by April 20, 2024

“I’ve said in the past that I want to stay,” said Kylington. “I like it here and I’ve had my interest to be here. I’ll let my agents and the business side of things take care of itself, but I think I’ve been clear with how I like Calgary and how I want to try to get back with my play. Let’s see what happens.”

I agree with you that without the full story we're all still just speculating, but everything Oliver said publicly leading up the the end of the season indicated he was intending to stay.

[Housley4Prez]

You sure about that? At the deadline, all the Flames could do was pick up Dryden Hunt, Troy Stecher, and Nick Ritchie.

They didn't move the needle at all, marked by many as having a very disappointing trade deadline, despite being attached to several big names ahead of the day.

Treliving was asked several times by the media, and commented on it as a possibility multiple times. Sure, he may have pulled that trigger if he cooked a big deal at the deadline.

However, when Conroy inherited Treliving's mess, he only had $1.35 million in cap space to fill two or three roster spots on Free Agent day last summer.

In an early interview with NHL.com, Conroy had this to say:

Because of the salary cap, there was really no money. We were pretty tight. With a lot of our guys, their contracts kicked in, so really it was [an offseason] where you’re just trying to find some smaller pieces, guys that can fit in and give us some depth, especially on the back end just to get (Jordan) Oesterle and to make sure we have enough depth going into the season.

Why did they need to find smaller pieces on the back end? Why did they have "really no money"? Can't put it all on Kylington, but he was indeed a factor.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

This is an accurate take. The white knights who jump in to blow the Kylington trumpet here is unlike I've ever seen with any other player. It's not like he was the second coming of Nik Lidstrom.

I get it why people who have suffered mental health issues, or know people who have, quickly rush to defend Kylington. But the details as they've been shared are murky at best, and disappointing at worst. If he was a dumpy dude who looked like Phil Kessel but played like David Hale, I don't think he'd get the overrated love that he gets. Letting him walk was fine. Wringing our hands over losing such an oddly beloved player, makes little sense.

Eating the $2.5 AAV for two seasons while we were pressed against the cap DID hurt the team. That's a fact. We finished 2 points short of the playoffs in 2022-23, and didn't have space to add at the deadline. Part of that constraint was caused by the Flames NOT putting OK on the LTIR.

As last season dwindled down, Kylington paid lip service to his loyalty to the team, which turned out to be a mirage. His actions spoke clearly better than his carefully selected words.

That’s not how LTIR works so that might be why your perspective is compromised.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am actually more disappointed that the Avs got Brannstrom on a show-me deal. I think he has more upside potential than Kylington. Looking at the Avs roster, I can’t help but think there is only room for one of them to make the team out of camp though and I wouldn’t be surprised to see one of them on waivers to start the season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If Kylington was the reason that Treliving couldn't make a move at the deadline, and Conroy had no choices in free agency I hope we put up a Kylington statute outside Scotia Place.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Maybe I'm old-fashioned - I'm definitely old - but you treat people well when they're experiencing hard times not because you're expecting a reward out of it, but because it's the right thing to do.

True. But in my old fashioned ways, when someone goes out of their way to treat me well when I'm going through a tough time, I try to show them some loyalty in return once the tough time has passed.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

Technically, he arguably screwed the team WORSE than Johnny did, because at least Johnny played out his contract, and also produced. I don't know why the online Flames community overrates Kylington so much. It makes no sense. He was mid at best, a 6/7 at worst.

They both elected to try free agency, as it was their rights. However, one was the guy who carried the offense the other barely played. One was a key contributor and expected to be going forward. The other was not. I think you need to reevaluate as to who you think screwed the team worse.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If Kylington was the reason that Treliving couldn't make a move at the deadline, and Conroy had no choices in free agency I hope we put up a Kylington statute outside Scotia Place.

There might be limitations.

[Shazam]

The mind bottles.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Maybe I'm old-fashioned - I'm definitely old - but you treat people well when they're experiencing hard times not because you're expecting a reward out of it, but because it's the right thing to do.

What your writing doesn't really align with the facts though.

Expecting a reward would have been asking him to sign him below market value. But that's not what happened. The flames offered him above market (there by showing zero expectations of expecting a favor) and the player still held out for more. He literally signed for substantially less to play somewhere else.

What's the old fashioned word for that? I think it's called a bit of "biting the hand that feeds you" and a bit of "looking a gift horse in the mouth".

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

What I love about this Kylington story is that:

• The Flames have a dollar-value and term in mind.
• They are sticking to it.
• They want players who clearly want to be here.

A far cry from previous GMs who will cave and spend money just because.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

They offered more money and more term to Lindholm than he signed for elsewhere

They offered more money and more term to Hanifin than he signed for elsewhere

They offered more money and more term to Kylington than he signed for elsewhere

Sure seems like a lot of guys really don't want to play here.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Housley4Prez

If he tore his achilles, he would've been put on LTIR. So no, I would've felt much differently.

He wouldn't have been put on LTIR initially. Because they didn't need to use LTIR - they weren't at the cap. They could have done so with Kylington if they needed to. And, at one point, they did need to and they did put him on LTIR (Oct. 23 2023).

[minnow]

Aw, Shilly, we wanted to see you grow. Disappointed that it won't be in Calgary. You were amazing to watch, sometimes. Good luck with all your future endeavors. Hope you suck against the Flames.

[Amethyst]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Maybe there was something about Calgary (not necessarily the organization) that was a trigger for him and he needed a change.

I am disappointed that he's gone, but wish him the best.

Could he have signed for more in Calgary? Probably. But sometimes it's not about the money

I haven't read all the posts since I was last here, but I can totally see this.

Everyone says this would have been a better place for him hockey-wise. But is playing in a fishbowl where fans have just spend ten pages arguing about you the best atmosphere for someone who has gone through some significant personal struggles?

At the end of the day, it's a job and jobs should not take precedence over other important things in your life.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

What your writing doesn't really align with the facts though.

Expecting a reward would have been asking him to sign him below market value. But that's not what happened. The flames offered him above market (there by showing zero expectations of expecting a favor) and the player still held out for more. He literally signed for substantially less to play somewhere else.

What's the old fashioned word for that? I think it's called a bit of "biting the hand that feeds you" and a bit of "looking a gift horse in the mouth".

Neither of those phrases are words, and neither of those phrases are accurate.

I swear, reading some of this is like watching some 4chan incels argue why girls owe them a date because they’re nice to them.

Kylington neither acted badly towards the franchise, nor was he any more critical of a contract offer than any other player/agent is. He or his agent didn’t like the offer, the Flames moved on instead of waiting, and so he signed somewhere else. Happens every year to every team. It’s called free agency.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Since he signed for substantially less can you please let us know what the Flames offer was?

[dino7c]

Reality check of the market

[jlh2640]

On a personal level, I am happy for Oliver, that could be a good fit.

I was very annoyed by his agents comments last fall, and this played out just like I knew it would. It is a business, and most of what was said by Oliver last year proved to be lip service.

I am glad he is healthy, I am proud of the way the Flames supported him. But I did not care for any of the crap tat has gone on the past month plus. See ya! We want players who want to be in Calgary.