Israel declares war on Hamas

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Man if you think the current situation in Gaza is the ‘lesser’ of two evils, you must have some morbid thoughts.

But I suspect it’s not about dead humans for you, but more which humans are the ones that died.

The clue is probably somewhere in looking down on all the “Muslim” UN countries specifically because they’re Muslim.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Again, it isn't genocide.

The greater evil is an endless conflict. One that recurs every 5-10 years with ever increasing numerous casualties on both sides. The greater evil would be to leave Gaza in the hands of a terrorist government, that would make money of the population while doing absolutely nothing to improve the quality of life of Palestinians, and instead focuses on the destruction of Israel.

So a quick genocide is the best thing for the long term quality of life for Palestinians. How considerate.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Does Hamas have incentive to exaggerate the numbers? Does Hamas have incentive to show dead terrorists as civilians?

Do you and the IDF murderers have incentive to minimize the numbers?
Do you and the IDF have incentive to claim dead civilians as a terrorists?

You posted some opinion from some guy on a Jewish rag and claimed "it was all there."
The Lancet suggested otherwise whilst acknowledging there will never be a complegeoaccurate no., UN, WHO, land a Israel felt the numbers were credible.

It's amazing the lengths you will go to to defend genocide and deliberate murder of civilians.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The greater evil is an endless conflict. One that recurs every 5-10 years with ever increasing numerous casualties on both sides.

I find it hard to use any word other than "naive" to describe this stance. How many kids are growing up with parents now that are completely primed to be scooped up by Hamas recruiters or whatever replaces Hamas?

This is doing absolutely nothing but fuelling the next conflict in 5-10 years. The rearmament starts as soon as things settle down, fuelled by a ton of anger of those who've lost their homes, families and friends.

The suicide bombers coming in over the next decade are orphaned kids today. This has done nothing but guarantee this conflict will persist.

[TherapyforGlencross]

I was an ally of the country of Israel at the start of the most recent conflict. When you see a headline and articles explaining the barbarity of the attacks, it’s easy to take a side, especially since I was (and still am, but I am learning) ignorant of the conflict. Then, as time goes on, I started to see the indiscriminate bombings.It first started with the hospital. It’s easy to claim “Hamas is hiding behind civilians”, but when I take a look at a map and understand the density of Gaza, how could they NOT hide within the urban centre? Gaza is literally all density lol. So, I started asking questions.

Then, I came across this article:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack

And it opened my eyes. Such depravity. By this point, it seems some Israelis really do hate Palestinians (and this is not a blanket statement, I know a few Israelis who are very compassionate towards the Palestinian cause) At this point, my line of thinking was “both sides are reprehensible”. Which is true, Hamas is no lover. But, factor that in with the average age of a Palestinian, they were brainwashed to think a certain way. So, how can I blame them for the way they think? How could I blame a Palestinian for hating Israel when I read about the Duma Arson Attack?

And then, Israel goes into Lebanon. Fine, I think Iran plays Hezbollah as a puppet, and I’m no fan of Iran, and still am not. I still think Israel has every right to attack Iran proper back. But again, that’s now three different countries Israel has militarily fought with in the last week. Israel seems like the common denominator, no? Recent headlines say “Israel looking to create buffer zone along the edge of Lebanon”. What the ####? That’s ####ed up. It’s eerily similar to the Russian claims of a buffer zones, and I don’t stand by that, so I am a hypocrite. Israel clearly has become too emboldened. And then Insee a headline about how Israel will shoot anyone who tries to help Lebanese people trapped under the rubble. Again, so ####ed up! So, how can I be a fervor ally to Israel if I consider myself a humanist? I cannot.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

I was an ally of the country of Israel at the start of the most recent conflict. When you see a headline and articles explaining the barbarity of the attacks, it’s easy to take a side, especially since I was (and still am, but I am learning) ignorant of the conflict. Then, as time goes on, I started to see the indiscriminate bombings.It first started with the hospital. It’s easy to claim “Hamas is hiding behind civilians”, but when I take a look at a map and understand the density of Gaza, how could they NOT hide within the urban centre? Gaza is literally all density lol. So, I started asking questions.

Then, I came across this article:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack

And it opened my eyes. Such depravity. By this point, it seems some Israelis really do hate Palestinians (and this is not a blanket statement, I know a few Israelis who are very compassionate towards the Palestinian cause) At this point, my line of thinking was “both sides are reprehensible”. Which is true, Hamas is no lover. But, factor that in with the average age of a Palestinian, they were brainwashed to think a certain way. So, how can I blame them for the way they think? How could I blame a Palestinian for hating Israel when I read about the Duma Arson Attack?

And then, Israel goes into Lebanon. Fine, I think Iran plays Hezbollah as a puppet, and I’m no fan of Iran, and still am not. I still think Israel has every right to attack Iran proper back. But again, that’s now three different countries Israel has militarily fought with in the last week. Israel seems like the common denominator, no? Recent headlines say “Israel looking to create buffer zone along the edge of Lebanon”. What the ####? That’s ####ed up. It’s eerily similar to the Russian claims of a buffer zones, and I don’t stand by that, so I am a hypocrite. Israel clearly has become too emboldened. And then Insee a headline about how Israel will shoot anyone who tries to help Lebanese people trapped under the rubble. Again, so ####ed up! So, how can I be a fervor ally to Israel if I consider myself a humanist? I cannot.

Pretty similar to you, but my switch flipped when I saw how hard they hit Gaza with complete disregard for human life. I still try to be impartial. Israel has had a tough slog since the start of this. I keep thinking back to if the US ever backed away how screwed Israel would be. They would literally have the power of a very large chunk of the Muslim world coming down on them. Part is of their own making.

[edslunch]

Talking to an Iranian friend, they think/hope Israel won't stop until they take out the Ayatollah. While neither side is blameless, Iran is at the centre of regional instability and will be until there is a regime change.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Talking to an Iranian friend, they think/hope Israel won't stop until they take out the Ayatollah. While neither side is blameless, Iran is at the centre of regional instability and will be until there is a regime change.

There are actually a lot of Irainians at the street level that support Israel and hate the fact their government sponsors terrorism. Some of them simply because they think it's a waste of money and would rather have that money stay in Iran, and some for ideological reasons. Just based on what I have read online and the few Iranians I know, I get the sense that their government doesn't represent the will of most of the people. I know that isn't a scientific conclusion, but it is the impression I get.

It's kind of worked it's way out of the news cycle in the past year, but Iran is rocked by frequent protests. They are pretty ripe for a revolution. If they get pulled into a war, I could see massive instability in Iran.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

There are actually a lot of Irainians at the street level that support Israel and hate the fact their government sponsors terrorism. Some of them simply because they think it's a waste of money and would rather have that money stay in Iran, and some for ideological reasons. Just based on what I have read online and the few Iranians I know, I get the sense that their government doesn't represent the will of most of the people. I know that isn't a scientific conclusion, but it is the impression I get.

It's kind of worked it's way out of the news cycle in the past year, but Iran is rocked by frequent protests. They are pretty ripe for a revolution. If they get pulled into a war, I could see massive instability in Iran.

That’s what my friend says as well. Apparently the son of the former shah has surfaced as a potential opposition leader, and while the shah wasn’t universally loved, his son is seen as at least a much better option than the current regime.