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Old 02-04-2025, 01:01 AM   #8901
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If the Avs wanted Kadri, and Ritchie was on the table coming back, I would have absolutely no problem adding one of of our firsts to make that happen. Ritchie would give us that young, stud center we've all been talking about to add to our pipeline. It won't happen though, as I think the Avs know what they have in him, and trading him would decimate their already thin prospect base.

If we traded Kadri for Mittlestadt, I can't see us having to add much, if anything. The Avs have apparently been really dissatisfied with him since he came over from Buffalo, and he has the worst plus/minus on the team (I know, useless stat).
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Old 02-04-2025, 01:04 AM   #8902
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I don’t understand what that deal does for the Flames except get younger for the sake of getting younger
Mittlestadt doesn’t make them better now or the future
What would be the point of it?
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Old 02-04-2025, 01:07 AM   #8903
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i don’t understand what that deal does for the flames except get younger for the sake of getting younger
mittlestadt doesn’t make them better now or the future
what would be the point of it?
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Old 02-04-2025, 01:36 AM   #8904
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Kadri only goes if Ritchie is coming back IMO. That's the prize, anything else (Middlestadt) is just money coming back.

Flip Middlestadt for a sack of Frito lays.

Flames center depth for 5 year after Kadri trade:

Frost
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Old 02-04-2025, 01:48 AM   #8905
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Mittelstadt does kind of have middling stats.

But I was quite impressed with his playoff performance last year.
And Kadri is very old. He’ll be one of the oldest forwards in the league by the end of next season.
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Old 02-04-2025, 02:29 AM   #8906
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I don’t understand what that deal does for the Flames except get younger for the sake of getting younger
Mittlestadt doesn’t make them better now or the future
What would be the point of it?
Its too bad Kadri for Byram couldn't have just been what happened.
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Old 02-04-2025, 03:02 AM   #8907
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Getting Mittelstadt, an underperforming playmaker who brings little to no physicality to a team that cannot score and trading a guy who has scored the same or more goals than Mittelstadt 10 times in his career for a team that cannot score goals would be a peak rebuilding/tanking move. Makes the team worse now and for the foreseeable future. Doubt Conroy does it.
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Old 02-04-2025, 03:24 AM   #8908
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Flames had better not be adding if they are trading Kadri for an oft-injured player who avoids physical play and has a career high of 59 points.

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Old 02-04-2025, 03:42 AM   #8909
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I am rolling the dice with Kadri as a player that bucks the aging trend for most players.
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Old 02-04-2025, 07:43 AM   #8910
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What about?

Nazem Kadri (7M * 4 years) + COL’s 2025 2nd for Ritchie + Ross Colton (4M * 3 years)

The money works. Colton is a pretty decent player, and the Flames could use him, including at centre.
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Old 02-04-2025, 08:00 AM   #8911
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Mittelstadt does kind of have middling stats.

But I was quite impressed with his playoff performance last year.
And Kadri is very old. He’ll be one of the oldest forwards in the league by the end of next season.
Kadri is also trending in the wrong direction. He is still better than Mittlestadt but Mittlestadt makes less to for less years. Much more tradeable with RS in a year or 2 as he does not have a NTC.

If that offer is on the table, take it now.
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Old 02-04-2025, 08:21 AM   #8912
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I don’t understand what that deal does for the Flames except get younger for the sake of getting younger
Mittlestadt doesn’t make them better now or the future
What would be the point of it?
Bailing on the back half of Kadri’s deal and leaning into Zary at centre. I’m not expecting Conroy to do it but that’s why I’d be fine with it.
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Old 02-04-2025, 09:06 AM   #8913
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I do think Conroy is thinking about promising the guys in that room "this season" because they've earned that but then the offseason might be a different story.

You're going to have a huge cap jump (+$7.5M) combined with a somewhat poor free agency class beyond the top couple guys (Rantanen, Marner, Boeser, Chychrun, Bennett, Ekblad and who knows who re-signs before now and then)

Could make for an interesting trade market for pieces like Coleman, Kadri, and Andersson once teams have that cap space burning a hole in their wallets.

The raising cap changes things a lot and think it allows the Flames to not have to rush a decision now.
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Old 02-04-2025, 09:12 AM   #8914
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Getting Mittelstadt, an underperforming playmaker who brings little to no physicality to a team that cannot score and trading a guy who has scored the same or more goals than Mittelstadt 10 times in his career for a team that cannot score goals would be a peak rebuilding/tanking move. Makes the team worse now and for the foreseeable future. Doubt Conroy does it.
That's a simple way to look at it. Team can't score so trading a good goal scorer makes no sense.

Chemistry and getting good shooter better shots can create goals too. The Flames are a slow hockey team who gets a low amount of high danger shots.

Huberdeau leads the team in goals. Is he the best shooter or his he taking the best shots?

Coronato will lead this team in goals, but he isn't getting many high danger shots.

Backlund and Kadri take the most bad shots on the team. Kadri is slow too.

Mittlestadt would be right there as the Flames best skater and a good playmaker that can get shooters better shots.

If it doesn't work out, he is more tradeable than Kadri with salary retained.
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Old 02-04-2025, 09:46 AM   #8915
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Kadri is not going anywhere.
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Old 02-04-2025, 09:53 AM   #8916
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Trading Kadri for a 26 year old who has never eclipsed 60pts in a season doesn’t make much sense to me. If the Flames are trading Kadri I would rather focus on a more futures based return. Kadri has been full value for his contract so far and with massive cap jumps I am less concerned about the back half of the deal than I have ever been. The Avs reportedly have not been high on Middelstat and he comes from a loser franchise (Buffalo) so unless the Avs are adding I don’t see why that is a good deal for Calgary? Unless Kadri requests a trade to Colorado or Toronto I wouldn’t really entertain that offer unless the Avs are adding a significant futures piece
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Old 02-04-2025, 10:13 AM   #8917
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Trading Kadri for a 26 year old who has never eclipsed 60pts in a season doesn’t make much sense to me. If the Flames are trading Kadri I would rather focus on a more futures based return. Kadri has been full value for his contract so far and with massive cap jumps I am less concerned about the back half of the deal than I have ever been. The Avs reportedly have not been high on Middelstat and he comes from a loser franchise (Buffalo) so unless the Avs are adding I don’t see why that is a good deal for Calgary? Unless Kadri requests a trade to Colorado or Toronto I wouldn’t really entertain that offer unless the Avs are adding a significant futures piece
Point differential mainly comes for the PP. Mittelstadt most years is getting around 100 PP points to Kadri's 20+.

Mittlestadt's 59-point year he had 16 PP points which was a career high for both points and PP points. Kadri had 29 PP points when he got 87 points with the Avs. 22 PP points last year when he got 75 points.

I don't consider either player to be a huge asset on the PP, Kadri has just had more opportunity as he either has played with high end players on teams that lacked depth or top line on average hockey teams.

Mittelstadt hasn't played much on the Avs PP and played 2nd line on a bad Buffalo team.

5 on 5 they are fairly equal.
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Old 02-04-2025, 10:16 AM   #8918
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Kadri is not going anywhere.
Thank god, it would be such a bad move.
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Point differential mainly comes for the PP. Mittelstadt most years is getting around 100 PP points to Kadri's 20+.

Mittlestadt's 59-point year he had 16 PP points which was a career high for both points and PP points. Kadri had 29 PP points when he got 87 points with the Avs. 22 PP points last year when he got 75 points.

I don't consider either player to be a huge asset on the PP, Kadri has just had more opportunity as he either has played with high end players on teams that lacked depth or top line on average hockey teams.

Mittelstadt hasn't played much on the Avs PP and played 2nd line on a bad Buffalo team.

5 on 5 they are fairly equal.
Not buying what you are selling at all. Kadri was better on the power play on a deeper Avs team so why is Middlestat not seeing the time? I find it strange when people try to discount power play points like they are worth less.

End of the day Kadri is a career 0.71ppg which works out to 58pts per 82. Middlestat is a career 0.55ppg player which works out to 45pts per 82. One guy plays with an edge and was a key member of a cup winning team and the other is on the block a year after he was dealt and spent most of his career on the worst run franchise in the league.

Not even a deal I consider unless the Avs are adding some significant futures which would be the more enticing part of the return. Sure they could pump and dump Middlestat but no guarantees that works
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Old 02-04-2025, 10:44 AM   #8920
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Not buying what you are selling at all. Kadri was better on the power play on a deeper Avs team so why is Middlestat not seeing the time? I find it strange when people try to discount power play points like they are worth less.

End of the day Kadri is a career 0.71ppg which works out to 58pts per 82. Middlestat is a career 0.55ppg player which works out to 45pts per 82. One guy plays with an edge and was a key member of a cup winning team and the other is on the block a year after he was dealt and spent most of his career on the worst run franchise in the league.

Not even a deal I consider unless the Avs are adding some significant futures which would be the more enticing part of the return. Sure they could pump and dump Middlestat but no guarantees that works
Mikko Rantanen was also a key to their cup and his stats blow away Necas, yet they made the move.

PP points are important, but I don't see Kadri as a great PP player. He gets time but he isn't someone I want running my PP. If the Flames want to be elite, Kadri can't be your go to on the PP.

Mittelstadt isn't a PP guy either. MIttelstadt is younger, contract is less risky and 5 on 5 he is close to Kadri making less money.

Kadri has a full NMC this year and next, I prefer not to wait until 26/27 to try and trade him. Until then we have no leverage and will not get Mittlestadt and quality futures. Maybe a 3rd.
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