Brad Treliving needs to go

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TOfan

This is silly

No, it isn’t.

We would have had a core of Nathan MacKinnon, Johnny Gaudreau, Gio, and TJ Brodie for the last 7 years.

We still would’ve had our pick to trade for Hamilton and eventually secure Lindholm and Hanifin.

We would have still had the picks from the Hamonic trade.

We still would’ve had the Tkachuk and Valimaki picks, though they probably would’ve been bigger.

And we’d have Nathan MacKinnon and Johnny Gaudreau on our top line together for 15 years.

What a dreadful thought.

[BarDown]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well it’s got to be pieces buffalo wants
Maybe they don’t like the Flames prospects

For sure. But if that's the case the Flames need to be looking elsewhere to improve the team.

I'm not going to be overly critical until we get closer to the start of the season as I don't pretend to know what's going on behind closed doors. However, if opening night arrives and we haven't seen any further changes, that's a real problem imo. And if a Gaudreau extension isn't announced, that's a huge failing.

I certainly agree that Treliving shouldn't make a bad trade just for the sake of making a deal. But it's his job to meaningfully improve the team and he needs to find a way to do it, no matter how difficult a task that is.

And if no one is overly interested in our players/prospects, ultimate responsibility for that situation lies with Treliving as well. It's his team and he's had ample time to build it.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

No, it isn’t.

We would have had a core of Nathan MacKinnon, Johnny Gaudreau, Gio, and TJ Brodie for the last 7 years.

We still would’ve had our pick to trade for Hamilton and eventually secure Lindholm and Hanifin.

We would have still had the picks from the Hamonic trade.

We still would’ve had the Tkachuk and Valimaki picks, though they probably would’ve been bigger.

And we’d have Nathan MacKinnon and Johnny Gaudreau on our top line together for 15 years.

What a dreadful thought.

It’s silly because it’s make believe.

How do you know any of that plays out the way you have laid it out? How do you know what moves the Flames would have made had they acquired MacKinnon? If they did is Feaster still the GM? Do they trade their 2015 1st for Hamilton or someone else? Do they win the cup? Do they miss the playoffs for 4 straight years? What else happens in this alternate universe?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TOfan

It’s silly because it’s make believe.

How do you know any of that plays out the way you have laid it out? How do you know what moves the Flames would have made had they acquired MacKinnon? If they did is Feaster still the GM? Do they trade their 2015 1st for Hamilton or someone else? Do they win the cup? Do they miss the playoffs for 4 straight years? What else happens in this alternate universe?

Hillary wins, and “Hannibal” gets a 4th season.

It’s not that silly - Feaster offered all three 1sts for MacKinnon. That’s known.

He should’ve offered six 1st round picks, because that player is worth it.

He might still have a job if he’d done that.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I suspect that some of the same folks calling for him to make any deal are highly likely to criticize any deal he does make

I suspect people will respond to success.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

No, it isn’t.

We would have had a core of Nathan MacKinnon, Johnny Gaudreau, Gio, and TJ Brodie for the last 7 years.

We still would’ve had our pick to trade for Hamilton and eventually secure Lindholm and Hanifin.

We would have still had the picks from the Hamonic trade.

We still would’ve had the Tkachuk and Valimaki picks, though they probably would’ve been bigger.

And we’d have Nathan MacKinnon and Johnny Gaudreau on our top line together for 15 years.

What a dreadful thought.

So why do the avs do it?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by BarDown

For sure. But if that's the case the Flames need to be looking elsewhere to improve the team.

I'm not going to be overly critical until we get closer to the start of the season as I don't pretend to know what's going on behind closed doors. However, if opening night arrives and we haven't seen any further changes, that's a real problem imo. And if a Gaudreau extension isn't announced, that's a huge failing.

I certainly agree that Treliving shouldn't make a bad trade just for the sake of making a deal. But it's his job to meaningfully improve the team and he needs to find a way to do it, no matter how difficult a task that is.

And if no one is overly interested in our players/prospects, ultimate responsibility for that situation lies with Treliving as well. It's his team and he's had ample time to build it.

I wasn’t suggest no one
But each team has their own evaluations on other players and prospects so it’s possible buffalo likes what they think they can get from other teams more

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well it’s got to be pieces buffalo wants
Maybe they don’t like the Flames prospects

If they don't like what the Flames currently have, then trade Tkachuk somewhere for things they do want.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

If they don't like what the Flames currently have, then trade Tkachuk somewhere for things they do want.

So who are those teams that
Has those things
Has the cap
Is ok with taking the contract risk with Tkachuk

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So who are those teams that
Has those things
Has the cap
Is ok with taking the contract risk with Tkachuk

I'd obviously need a lot of information that there is no way for me to know in order to answer that. But if you're saying that no combination of assets the Flames have or could trade for will get a possibly broken Eichel, then the team is so asset poor that it needs to rebuild.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Did I miss something? How is Seattle going to give up the 4 1st round equivalent’s? They have the exact same number of first round picks as the Flames do for the foreseeable future.

Terrible bump to a terrible thread.

Ouch, coming from a TO fan that hurts. You are a bonafide expert in terrible things.

Terrible or not, lots of people are still interested in discussing it (obviously, you've bumped it 3-4 times yourself).

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I'd obviously need a lot of information that there is no way for me to know in order to answer that. But if you're saying that no combination of assets the Flames have or could trade for will get a possibly broken Eichel, then the team is so asset poor that it needs to rebuild.

The Sabres aren’t making a trade for a broken Eichel
They are trying to get full value
If it was this easy why hasn’t he been moved yet?

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The Sabres aren’t making a trade for a broken Eichel
They are trying to get full value
If it was this easy why hasn’t he been moved yet?

What is your point? That there is nothing Treliving can do to get Eichel, so he gets a pass for not improving the team?

[RT14]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I'd obviously need a lot of information that there is no way for me to know in order to answer that. But if you're saying that no combination of assets the Flames have or could trade for will get a possibly broken Eichel, then the team is so asset poor that it needs to rebuild.

So you admit you don’t have enough information to know what’s going on behind the scenes but are adamant that Treliving is screwing it all up. Nice.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by nik-

Has it? This is generally a continuation of the last 30 years.

You are right, but the first 10-12 years were so good.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by RT14

So you admit you don’t have enough information to know what’s going on behind the scenes but are adamant that Treliving is screwing it all up. Nice.

I think he is just saying he hasn't done anything major this offseason, to a roster that looks like it needs a shake-up. Losing Gio is not addition via subtraction.

You can also look at his time in charge and assess whether he's done enough. Good cases can be made either way.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by RT14

So you admit you don’t have enough information to know what’s going on behind the scenes but are adamant that Treliving is screwing it all up. Nice.

No, Treliving has had 7+ years to make this team good, and he has failed at every step.

You obviously must have all the behind the scenes info, so you can make the very fair judgement that Treliving is doing a great job.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

What is your point? That there is nothing Treliving can do to get Eichel, so he gets a pass for not improving the team?

That people seem to be crying for a deal for the sake of any deal
Which is rarely a good approach

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

What is your point? That there is nothing Treliving can do to get Eichel, so he gets a pass for not improving the team?

And what is your point - that Treliving should be criticized because Buffalo hasn't done anything yet?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

No, Treliving has had 7+ years to make this team good, and he has failed at every step.

You obviously must have all the behind the scenes info, so you can make the very fair judgement that Treliving is doing a great job.

Every step?