10-25-2020, 11:23 AM
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#3861
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rogermexico
I think they take a load management approach with Lucic. Manage his ice time and save him for the playoffs. I think he’d buy into that.
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This is exactly right. And I think he would buy into that given how well he played in the playoffs this year.
It’s not like the bottom line combinations will stick for long periods of time. Better that these guys learn to play with different players throughout the season.
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10-25-2020, 11:36 AM
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#3862
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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I wouldn’t mind seeing Dube ride shotgun with Monny and Johnny if the plan is to keep those two together.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Dube
Tkachuk - Bennett - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Backlund - Leivo
Lucic - Ryan - Simon
Nordstrom
Giordano - Tanev
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Nesterov
Kylington
Markstrom
Rittich
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10-25-2020, 11:38 AM
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#3863
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Dube and Mangiapane were both .5 PPG in the post season. But Dube got more points in the actual POs, and with less ice time and a lesser line. I think he’s going to take a big step this year.
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Yes, but Dube also wasn't playing with Tobias Reider in the actual playoffs.
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10-25-2020, 11:44 AM
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#3864
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Yes, but Dube also wasn't playing with Tobias Reider in the actual playoffs.
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LOL. Poor old Toby gets the blame again. Mangiapane was playing with Backlund. While Ryan is good, Backlund is better. And Reider had a hell of a POs, TBF.
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10-25-2020, 11:50 AM
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#3865
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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The only trade I actually consider at this point as a go all in move would be a Hanifin + Ryan +?? package for Laine to give us a legit pure sniper for the top 6 and PP.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Laine
Mangiapane - Bennett - Dube
Lucic - Simon - Leivo
Nordstrom
Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Nesterov - Kylington
Petrovic
Markstrom
Rittich
Do I think this happens?? Obviously no but of all the rumoured names that have been available the only one i would want to add to the core to push us over the top would be Laine despite his warts he would be the best pure scorer on this club since Iginla hands down.
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10-25-2020, 12:40 PM
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#3866
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy Jack
The only trade I actually consider at this point as a go all in move would be a Hanifin + Ryan +?? package for Laine to give us a legit pure sniper for the top 6 and PP.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Laine
Mangiapane - Bennett - Dube
Lucic - Simon - Leivo
Nordstrom
Giordano - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Nesterov - Kylington
Petrovic
Markstrom
Rittich
Do I think this happens?? Obviously no but of all the rumoured names that have been available the only one i would want to add to the core to push us over the top would be Laine despite his warts he would be the best pure scorer on this club since Iginla hands down.
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Winnipeg’s supposed ask is a 2C and a top 4 D for Liane. Ryan and Hanifin is no where close to that.
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10-25-2020, 12:43 PM
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#3867
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TOfan
Winnipeg’s supposed ask is a 2C and a top 4 D for Liane. Ryan and Hanifin is no where close to that.
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That’s why I added an additional plus; Hanifin meets one of the two asks so what could we add to Ryan to push it through?? 1st and Pelletier?
Hanifin + Ryan + 1st (top 10 protected) + Pelletier for Laine?
I don’t think we are as far off from being able to meet the price as you make it out.
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10-25-2020, 12:45 PM
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#3868
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy Jack
That’s why I added an additional plus; Hanifin meets one of the two asks so what could we add to Ryan to push it through?? 1st and Pelletier?
Hanifin + Ryan + 1st (top 10 protected) + Pelletier for Laine?
I don’t think we are as far off from being able to meet the price as you make it out.
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Well, if I’m Winnipeg, I’m asking for Hanifin and Lindholm.
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10-25-2020, 12:47 PM
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#3869
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Lifetime Suspension
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Wouldnt trade Lindholm straight up for Laine
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10-25-2020, 12:55 PM
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#3870
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goflamesgo18
Wouldnt trade Lindholm straight up for Laine
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Fair enough. If I were in Treliving’s shoes I wouldn’t trade Lindholm either short of some deal that would be impossible to say no to.
Bare in mind though, the Jets have team control over Liane for 5 more years. They are under no pressure to take pennies on the dollar anytime soon. Some GM out of the other 30 teams will likely step up and pay a steep price for a legitimate 50 goal threat who is only 22.
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10-25-2020, 01:24 PM
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#3871
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TOfan
Fair enough. If I were in Treliving’s shoes I wouldn’t trade Lindholm either short of some deal that would be impossible to say no to.
Bare in mind though, the Jets have team control over Liane for 5 more years. They are under no pressure to take pennies on the dollar anytime soon. Some GM out of the other 30 teams will likely step up and pay a steep price for a legitimate 50 goal threat who is only 22.
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Agreed. Just dont think its wise for Flames to trade arguably our best all around FWD who can play RW and C very well, and is signed long term for 4.5M for a one dimensional winger who will prob demand over double what Lindholm makes per season.
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10-25-2020, 01:39 PM
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#3872
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TOfan
Fair enough. If I were in Treliving’s shoes I wouldn’t trade Lindholm either short of some deal that would be impossible to say no to.
Bare in mind though, the Jets have team control over Liane for 5 more years. They are under no pressure to take pennies on the dollar anytime soon. Some GM out of the other 30 teams will likely step up and pay a steep price for a legitimate 50 goal threat who is only 22.
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The Flames have Lindholm cost controlled for 4 more years at a bargain rate of $4.85M.
As for Laine, I believe he is a UFA in 3 years, not 5. And he will earn $6.75M this year, then will be looking for $9M.
Lindholm has quite a bit more value than Laine, straight-up.
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10-25-2020, 02:23 PM
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#3873
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
The Flames have Lindholm cost controlled for 4 more years at a bargain rate of $4.85M.
As for Laine, I believe he is a UFA in 3 years, not 5. And he will earn $6.75M this year, then will be looking for $9M.
Lindholm has quite a bit more value than Laine, straight-up.
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No argument here.
All I’m saying is the Jets are supposed to have asked for a 2C and top 4 D for Laine. To me that means some combination of Monahan, Lindholm, Hanifin or Anderson. Maybe the Jets would bite on Zary.
Regardless, I don’t think the Flames are in the Liane market.
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10-25-2020, 02:32 PM
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#3874
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
LOL. Poor old Toby gets the blame again. Mangiapane was playing with Backlund. While Ryan is good, Backlund is better. And Reider had a hell of a POs, TBF.
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Backlund and Mangiapane both struggled with Reider. As a line they were not working at all.
Reider had some great moments in the playoffs but most of those came shorthanded.
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Last edited by GranteedEV; 10-25-2020 at 03:37 PM.
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10-25-2020, 03:06 PM
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#3875
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TOfan
Winnipeg’s supposed ask is a 2C and a top 4 D for Liane. Ryan and Hanifin is no where close to that.
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I mean, that is kinda close. A top 4D in Hanifin and a 3 or 4C in Ryan. Hanifin+Backlund possibly? Not sure I would though... Laine seems to have a very low GAF meter... I could be wrong.
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10-25-2020, 03:36 PM
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#3876
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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I wonder if they would be interested in hanifin+Bennett as the basis for laine.
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10-25-2020, 04:48 PM
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#3877
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
I wonder if they would be interested in hanifin+Bennett as the basis for laine.
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Ugh. No.
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10-25-2020, 05:12 PM
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#3878
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VilleN
I mean, that is kinda close. A top 4D in Hanifin and a 3 or 4C in Ryan. Hanifin+Backlund possibly? Not sure I would though... Laine seems to have a very low GAF meter... I could be wrong.
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Ryan is a UFA at the end of year. Can safely assume he’s not moving the needle at all in a Liane transaction.
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10-25-2020, 05:23 PM
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#3879
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
I wonder if they would be interested in hanifin+Bennett as the basis for laine.
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Don't think that is even close imo.
Top 4 dman who can't seem to take the next step and 3rd liner who plays well for a few games in the playoffs.. for a 22 year old 40 goal scorer
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10-25-2020, 05:32 PM
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#3880
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan87
Don't think that is even close imo.
Top 4 dman who can't seem to take the next step and 3rd liner who plays well for a few games in the playoffs.. for a 22 year old 40 goal scorer
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Who wants 9M a year
Hanifin is 23 and Bennett is 24 also
I'm not sure I would do it honestly
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