Star Wars

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by blankall

Has a large amount of time passed between this movie and TLJ? The New Order now has what looks like dozens of star destroyers again.

Some info on those Star Destroyers (from people taking a close look at them from the teaser):

Spoiler!

Folks have pointed out that they appear to be Imperial Star Destroyer I's, the original version from A New Hope. Perhaps stashed away by Palpatine.

Others have pointed out that a few appear to have a very big looking turret on their starboard side, which could be the source of that orbital blast we see hitting the surface in the teaser. So even if they are all ISD I's some have clearly been upgraded.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Some info on those Star Destroyers (from people taking a close look at them from the teaser):

Spoiler!

Folks have pointed out that they appear to be Imperial Star Destroyer I's, the original version from A New Hope. Perhaps stashed away by Palpatine.

Others have pointed out that a few appear to have a very big looking turret on their starboard side, which could be the source of that orbital blast we see hitting the surface in the teaser. So even if they are all ISD I's some have clearly been upgraded.

Spoiler!

This could make sense then. Kylo somehow gets in touch with the Emperor, or a message that the emperor left behind. The emperor provides him with a huge stash of new ships, to replace the ones destroyed in TLJ.

[Igottago]

Really enjoyed the first 47 seconds of that trailer.

[Luder]

Originally Posted by blankall

Spoiler!

This could make sense then. Kylo somehow gets in touch with the Emperor, or a message that the emperor left behind. The emperor provides him with a huge stash of new ships, to replace the ones destroyed in TLJ.

I sure hope they’re coming out of Palpatine’s Star Forge in that formation, one Corellian Corvette loaded with explosives could wreck that fleet in seconds. /supernerd

[Oling_Roachinen]

Spoiler!

I think Rey's just going to end up being able to use both sides of the force while remaining good and the red double bladed lightsabre will be a visualization of that.

Unfortunately, I do think that they might be limited by Disney of making Rey evil just given the whole using her to sell to millions of young girls. Although another case of Daenerys going genocidal-crazy would be funny for the parents who ended up naming their kid Rey.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

Spoiler!

This could make sense then. Kylo somehow gets in touch with the Emperor, or a message that the emperor left behind. The emperor provides him with a huge stash of new ships, to replace the ones destroyed in TLJ.

Spoiler!

While a lot of the Imperial Fleet was destroy at the Battle of Jaku, the best and the Brightest of the Empire were called away to the Unknown regions to meet with the SSD Eclipse. So there could be a pretty sizable fleet of old Imperial Star Destroyers which wouldn't be a huge disadvantage because it looks like the Resistance is pretty puny at this point.


But what if those ships aren't from the First Order. What if there's the First Order, and then Palpatine who was biding his time after the failure of Operation Cinder?

[CaptainCrunch]

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[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by blankall

Has a large amount of time passed between this movie and TLJ? The New Order now has what looks like dozens of star destroyers again.

Yeah there will be a gap of time leading into this, unlike TFA and TLJ. I heard something like 5 years somewhere but maybe I'm misremembering or what I read was crap. That chart with the timeline would give some indication. Looks like both sides beefed up on their respective fleets either way. I hope they explain and give some context rather than just creating armies out of thin air for the sake of it.

I suspect Sidious and Ren cross paths (whether physically or by hologram/force ghost) following TLJ and it will be revealed that Palp has been growing his own forces and played some hand behind the scenes in everything that has happened otherwise it'll come across as more of a forced last minute throw in for nostalgia. I believe he created Rey, maybe a few versions of her and this hero Rey was a defective clone or something.

Who knows, could go so many ways but that would explain her seeing a projection of herself in a line in the cave when she was looking to find her family. That's the hope, cause then something in TLJ will actually make sense in the larger scope of the story

I'm also pretty certain that that is new dialogue from Palpatine which is sweet. I'd really like him to appear in physical form since macdermid is a treat to watch.

[CaptainCrunch]

I keep going back to that Cave when Rey looked for her family and say multiple Reys. We could argue that they could be reflections. But Sidious was looking for Plagieus secrets to immortality.



We know in Legends EU that you can clone a force user. Luke was cloned in the Thrawn series. Starkiller was cloned in the Force Unleashed 2 dark ending. What if the Rey we are seeing isn't our Rey, but a brutal dark side apprentice clone and they were both made with Anakin DNA. Errr wait a minute.

[N-E-B]

It looks like a good movie but I’m still underwhelmed from TLJ. I’m not going to get too excited yet.

[CaptainCrunch]

yeah me too.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

It looks like a good movie but I’m still underwhelmed from TLJ. I’m not going to get too excited yet.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to make an exciting Star Wars trailer. All it takes is a few X-wing flyovers.

I want to be skeptical about this, as TLJ was garbage, but I'll probably also crack and buy tickets to opening night.

This movie looks pretty dark so far. It's going to be very odd watching all 3 movies in a row. The tonal shifts are intense. Basically Ryann Johnson's bad jokes straddled between JJ Abrahms bleakness.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I keep going back to that Cave when Rey looked for her family and say multiple Reys. We could argue that they could be reflections. But Sidious was looking for Plagieus secrets to immortality.



We know in Legends EU that you can clone a force user. Luke was cloned in the Thrawn series. Starkiller was cloned in the Force Unleashed 2 dark ending. What if the Rey we are seeing isn't our Rey, but a brutal dark side apprentice clone and they were both made with Anakin DNA. Errr wait a minute.

It's also make sense why Ray grew up on a crap hole. Both Luke and Anakin had similar upgringings, which made them both extremely powerful and capable of real evil. Palpatine would want to repeat that process.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

It's also make sense why Ray grew up on a crap hole. Both Luke and Anakin had similar upgringings, which made them both extremely powerful and capable of real evil. Palpatine would want to repeat that process.

Spoiler!

If you read the Aftermath books, Jaku was critically important to the Emperor and was home to one of his "observatories" It was a combination of an observatory to track routes to the unknown reasons, a home base for the Emperor's personal ship. There was a store house of prized possessions of the Emperor including Sith artifacts. It was also designed as part of the contingency plan to destroy the unworthy if the Empire falls.


So there's no reason why as part of the contingency that Palpatine would store a clone of himself or of Vader in case of death or failure.



Maybe Rey was stored there and managed to be revived and escape. She was found by her "drunken" parents and handed off.


Anyways, its all a theory of mine and probably completely wrong.


But lets say that there was another more heavily guarded observatory in unknown space, and its heavily guarded by Palpatine loyalists (which would explain the old school star destroyers. And that observatory houses Palpatines' holocron and another Rey Clone who was raised at the feet of the Emperors holocron knowledge.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by blankall

Yeah, it's pretty easy to make an exciting Star Wars trailer. All it takes is a few X-wing flyovers.

I want to be skeptical about this, as TLJ was garbage, but I'll probably also crack and buy tickets to opening night.

This movie looks pretty dark so far. It's going to be very odd watching all 3 movies in a row. The tonal shifts are intense. Basically Ryann Johnson's bad jokes straddled between JJ Abrahms bleakness.

Still cringe a little at opening that movie with your mom jokes.

Now it's impossible to take Hux's character seriously. So hopefully he's phased out in this one for palpatine and TKOR rather than continuing to be a walking, painfully unfunny joke. He could've been like Tarkin but instead became Jar-Jarkin.

I do hope they finish strong still so that TLJ can just be "that one off". The clone wars of the sequel trilogy, if you will. Hopefully we get some creative plot turns that aren't a rehash, an epic lightsaber duel(s) that runs for longer than 5 minutes and badass new characters like the knights of ren getting to shine, but most of all having the nine movies culminate in a final conflict/conclusion that feels worth the existence of this third trilogy and the long journey from phantom menace.

I feel like the darker this gets the better because tonally it has been more Disney than star wars. Rogue One being seen as the most nostalgic film as well as being the darkest film is no coincidence. The SW universe is supposed to be dangerous and unforgiving. I also hope they don't go for grandiose spectacle over content and strong dialogue. The duels and intimate, tension-filled scenes shared between characters have been where SW has been at it's best.

I don't think they'll check all those boxes of course, as I've said more or less these same things preceding the last two films, but just put out a solid film with memorable moments that stand out and we can get the bad taste of the last entry out of our mouths.

[Luder]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Yeah there will be a gap of time leading into this, unlike TFA and TLJ. I heard something like 5 years somewhere but maybe I'm misremembering or what I read was crap. That chart with the timeline would give some indication. Looks like both sides beefed up on their respective fleets either way. I hope they explain and give some context rather than just creating armies out of thin air for the sake of it.

I suspect Sidious and Ren cross paths (whether physically or by hologram/force ghost) following TLJ and it will be revealed that Palp has been growing his own forces and played some hand behind the scenes in everything that has happened otherwise it'll come across as more of a forced last minute throw in for nostalgia. I believe he created Rey, maybe a few versions of her and this hero Rey was a defective clone or something.

Who knows, could go so many ways but that would explain her seeing a projection of herself in a line in the cave when she was looking to find her family. That's the hope, cause then something in TLJ will actually make sense in the larger scope of the story

I'm also pretty certain that that is new dialogue from Palpatine which is sweet. I'd really like him to appear in physical form since macdermid is a treat to watch.

McDiarmid was at Star Wars Celebration when they announced the first teaser, I’m pretty sure anything in this movie involving the Emperor will be him. I’d post the YouTube clip but I’m on my phone and not that tech savvy.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

What if the Rey we are seeing isn't our Rey, but a brutal dark side apprentice clone and they were both made with Anakin DNA. Errr wait a minute.

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I believe he created Rey, maybe a few versions of her and this hero Rey was a defective clone or something.

If that's the case then red double-bladed light-sabre Rey isn't Rey but an evil clone. It's going to be just like the end of Scott Pilgrim vs the World when he takes on Nega Scott!

[zamler]

Maybe it's just me but when half the trailer is nostalgia footage that's not a good omen.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Meh, if the alternative is spoiling 95% of the movie like other trailers, I'd prefer this. Especially for a teaser trailer for a movie coming out 4 months from now.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by zamler

Maybe it's just me but when half the trailer is nostalgia footage that's not a good omen.

You can’t possibly believe they think the movie is so bad that it necessitates a trailer with old footage. It almost seems willfully ignorant to believe something so ridiculous. I’ve seen Michael Bay movies with good trailers and his movies are pure unadulterated garbage.


Or it could be the obvious and it’s the culmination of a film franchise that’s been around for almost half a century finally capping off an epic 9 part story.