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Old 09-21-2020, 06:05 PM   #121
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Draisaitl winning is a huge blow to intelligent discourse and further perpetuates the insane narrative that points are all that matters for forwards, regardless of defensive contribution.
Right? I mean, where was Nichuskin?!
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Old 09-21-2020, 06:06 PM   #122
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And, Drai being a minus player as poorly as he was, meant that Selke nominee (Haas and his -1-lol) got the top 3 bonus which already pushed the Oilers over the cap 6 weeks ago.
I messed up. The Hart Trophy bonus has no effect on team cap.
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Old 09-21-2020, 06:24 PM   #123
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Congrats Leon! More proud of him that he won The Ted Lindsay as that is voted by his peers which is a bigger honor IMO.

Is that one or two 4 hour banner raising ceremonies?
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Old 09-21-2020, 06:41 PM   #124
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What is there to laugh about? The Ted Lindsay is voted by his peers. Does that not mean something?
I lol'ed at you coming out of the woodwork
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I remember when Iginla was in his prime, and the discussion in the media for several seasons was that a player whose team doesn't make the playoffs wouldn't have a realistic chance to win the Hart.

Edmonton didn't make the playoffs this year, and Drasaitl wins? The bar has been lowered.
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Old 09-21-2020, 06:42 PM   #126
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I remember when Iginla was in his prime, and the discussion in the media for several seasons was that a player whose team doesn't make the playoffs wouldn't have a realistic chance to win the Hart.

Edmonton didn't make the playoffs this year, and Drasaitl wins? The bar has been lowered.
They voted before the play in round though
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:04 PM   #127
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They voted before the play in round though
Makes the voters that much more stupid to expect the Oilers to win.
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All the ballots here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Dov...pMaxIBIaB/view
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Is that one or two 4 hour banner raising ceremonies?
Sounds like an opportunity for another Sportsnet special.
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:37 PM   #130
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The award is forever tarnished.
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:50 PM   #131
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5 voters- 3 of whom are
garrioch McGuire and Burke went oilers 1-2
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5 voters- 3 of whom are
garrioch McGuire and Burke went oilers 1-2
Hmmm, I didn't take Burke for a complete idiot, but...
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5 voters- 3 of whom are
garrioch McGuire and Burke went oilers 1-2
Yeah that’s pretty tough to explain.

Real interesting how the big 3 awards went to players on teams who couldn’t advance past the play in round. Having the best season hasn’t meant much lately in the lost season. Last year the big 3 won a combined 1 playoff game but atleast their teams had exceptional regular seasons.
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J.T. Miller got a fifth place vote.
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Old 09-22-2020, 10:36 AM   #135
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All 20 people who placed MacKinnon 4th or 5th should have their credentials taken away.

I'd say the five who had him 5th should also be sent to the gulag, but I imagine they're already living there.
The thing is, one of those people is Greg Wyshinski, and he had one of the more reasonable ballots in the whole thing, with Panarin and Hellebuyck 1-2. I would disagree with him not having MacKinnon 3rd but it's still at least rationally thought out. Especially when you have a bunch of US beat writers who basically go to NHL.com's stats page and sort by points.

I mean, in Mark Spector's case, and cases like that, I agree with you - he clearly intentionally put MacKinnon 5th to deny him points so that Draisaitl was more likely to win. But there are plenty of other reasons to take Spector's credentials away before you get to that.
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Old 09-22-2020, 10:46 AM   #136
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A 5th place vote for MacKinnon is just LoL stupid.
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No stupider than having Panarin there, as 17 people apparently did.

There are just some really dumb people voting on this, is the long and short of it.
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Old 09-22-2020, 11:02 AM   #138
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Edmonton Oilers 71 games 83 points (+12) top 3 scorers

Draisaitl 71 GP 43 G 67 A 110 PTS -7
McDavid 64 GP 34 G 64 A 97 PTS -6
Nugent Hopkins 61 points


Colorado Avalanche 70 games 92 points (+22) top 3 scorers

Mackinnon 69 GP 35 G 58 A 93 PTS +13
Makar 50 GP 12 G 38 A 50 points
Burakovsky 45 points


ok I disagree with Draisaitl, fine. but how can multiple people justify McDavid as more VALUABLE than MacKinnon for this past season?
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Old 09-22-2020, 11:14 AM   #139
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Somebody added Adam Fox to the all rookie forward list.

Jonathan Willis and Matt Vensel both left MacKinnon off their Hart ballots.
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