UPD: Flames renounce rights to Topi Ronni

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by devo22

2nd round just hasn't been kind to the Flames in this century.

Yeah hard to rip on Daryl Sutter now for trading as many as he did. Kiprosoff alone is worth more than all of them combined.

Hopefully the team makes some adjustments to hit a few more Anderson's and Kylington's.

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Disavow yourself of this opinion immediately.

There is nothing "simple" about accusing someone of rape or sexual assault.

There is room for a discussion on the impacts of media on fair trial and innocence until proven guilt, but let's not diminish the act of accusing someone of something like this to triviality. Most cases of sexual assault or rape are in fact never reported because of the complexity, stress, pain, and often retribution caused by reporting.

Your username is literally referring to Monahan’s Pen15.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Hated the pick the second it was made and hate it even more now, but good decision by the Flames to renounce the pick now.

Never made sense for this team to draft a big forward whose upside seemed to be middle 6 winger, when Lane Hutson was there and this team desperately needed defensive prospects with high ceilings offensively.

Lane Hutson is an NCAA player (playing for BU) from Michigan. That's not good either.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Prioritize skill going forward please, thank you.

Too bad rapist detectors aren't a thing. But really, what can you do about that.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by devo22

2nd round just hasn't been kind to the Flames in this century.

2000 #40 D Kurtis Foster
2000 #46 C Jarret Stoll
2001 #41 C Andrei Taratukhin
2001 #56 G Andrei Medvedev
2002 #39 C Brian McConnell
2003 #39 D Tim Ramholt
2008 #48 C Mitch Wahl
2011 #45 C Markus Granlund
2011 #57 D Tyler Wotherspoon
2012 #42 D Patrick Sieloff
2014 #34 G Mason McDonald
2014 #54 R Hunter Smith
2015 #53 D Rasmus Andersson
2015 #60 D Oliver Kylington
2016 #54 G Tyler Parsons
2016 #56 C Dillon Dube
2020 #50 D Yan Kuznetsov
2021 #45 L William Stromgren
2022 #59 C Topi Ronni
2023 #48 D Etienne Morin

Just a mess. Foster was traded before turning pro, Stoll re-entered the draft, the two Russians and McConnell never made it. Ramholt played a single 45 seconds shift for the Flames, Wahl had his career derailed by concussions. 2014 was a total nightmare (McDonald over Demko and a big overager in Smith), but at least they nailed 2015.

Luckily, Morin and the 2024 2nd rounders will turn into Hall of Famers, but still.

Hope this trend stops with Conroy. Flames seem to have way better luck at drafting after round 2.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by blankall

Lane Hutson is an NCAA player (playing for BU) from Michigan. That's not good either.

Doesn't matter.

If he ends up being great and doesn't sign then you trade him for two 2nd round picks and still end up ahead of where you are.

This fear of drafting good players because they are American and might not sign shouldn't be a thing.

An unsigned Lane Hutson is still worth more than Topi Ronni will ever be.

[Canada 02]

looking at the list pre-Kutnetzov since the guys 2020 to present still have time, there are 4 NHLers drafted out of 16.

25% which is pretty typical for the 2nd round, no?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The problem is they take these "high floor" lunkheads rather than guys that could have gone in the 1st round based on their skill.

That said, Kylington and Andersson are beauties.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

looking at the list pre-Kutnetzov since the guys 2020 to present still have time, there are 4 NHLers drafted out of 16.

25% which is pretty typical for the 2nd round, no?

Yup.

[Flamesfan05]

Yes but only one real good player in 20 years is very underwhelming

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yes but only one real good player in 20 years is very underwhelming

Compared to what?

What percentage of NHL players are counted as ‘really good players’?

[GirlySports]

Ramholt one really hurts since that draft is considered the best ever. Never understood Sutter taking a Swiss defenseman ahead of a WHLer in his backyard Shea Weber. Especially with the Rockets winning the WHL. Did they think Weber was too similar to Phaneuf?

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yes but only one real good player in 20 years is very underwhelming

You're underwhelmed with something Flames-related? As a means to spit on the franchise? I am so totally shocked....

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The problem is they take these "high floor" lunkheads rather than guys that could have gone in the 1st round based on their skill.

That said, Kylington and Andersson are beauties.

Kylington and Andersson both should have gone in the first round that year. I couldn't believe it when Jacob Larsson and Gabriel Carlsson were selected with those two still on the board--and for an entire round after, no less.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Ramholt one really hurts since that draft is considered the best ever. Never understood Sutter taking a Swiss defenseman ahead of a WHLer in his backyard Shea Weber. Especially with the Rockets winning the WHL. Did they think Weber was too similar to Phaneuf?

Ramholt was looking like a great pick until he went back home. He did not want to play in NA.

[gvitaly]

No wonder the Flames have no finish.

Our European scouting needs a new perspective. Outside of Pospisil, was Kylington(2015) the last European pick to workout? And we probably have to track all the way back to Backlund, before 2015.

As for Ronni, I have no empathy for rapists, hopefully he isn't wrongly accused.

[bluejays]

Can’t believe some pointing to not knowing his accusation before he was drafted. Even in Canada there are some municipalities that don’t publish names of the accused. If that’s the case and he didn’t disclose, how would they find out, especially if he personally kept it tight lipped. It’s one thing to be in the nhl where you’d hear rumblings. But I don’t imagine amateur scouts hover around these teams to hear much.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

No wonder the Flames have no finish.

Our European scouting needs a new perspective. Outside of Pospisil, was Kylington(2015) the last European pick to workout? And we probably have to track all the way back to Backlund, before 2015.

As for Ronni, I have no empathy for rapists, hopefully he isn't wrongly accused.

Pospisil was found in America

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Can’t believe some pointing to not knowing his accusation before he was drafted. Even in Canada there are some municipalities that don’t publish names of the accused. If that’s the case and he didn’t disclose, how would they find out, especially if he personally kept it tight lipped. It’s one thing to be in the nhl where you’d hear rumblings. But I don’t imagine amateur scouts hover around these teams to hear much.

It's clear the Flames didn't know. I can't fault them for that but the issue is more that they reached for him in the first place as he was widely considered a low ceiling player at the time of the draft and not a 2nd round talent. Someone in the organization thought this guy was a lot better than he was and that's the real problem in general with the team's european scouting. Save for 2015 2nd round (those picks were kind of no-brainers) this organization has largely been terrible at identifying european talent and that's something that has to stop immediately during this rebuild period where they have a lot of draft picks.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

No wonder the Flames have no finish.

Our European scouting needs a new perspective. Outside of Pospisil, was Kylington(2015) the last European pick to workout? And we probably have to track all the way back to Backlund, before 2015.

As for Ronni, I have no empathy for rapists, hopefully he isn't wrongly accused.

Rasmus Andersson was before Backlund.

Andersson Backlund, and Granlund are the only Europeans the Flames drafted in the past 25 years that played more than 300 games.
Kylington will hit that mark eventually probably.