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Old 03-12-2018, 01:19 PM   #41
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I thought it was common knowledge that if a 4th liner/regular scratch is in place of a top forward missing practice that he's a place holder?
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Old 03-12-2018, 01:22 PM   #42
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Reading between the lines, it sounds like Tkachuk could miss Tuesday's game. But Monahan and Backlund are more likely. "Maintenance" days for all three players according to #Flames head coach Glen Gulutzan.
Where have I heard this before?
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Old 03-12-2018, 01:33 PM   #43
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I thought it was common knowledge that if a 4th liner/regular scratch is in place of a top forward missing practice that he's a place holder?


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Old 03-12-2018, 01:39 PM   #44
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I dont know if I'm more disappointed that he has to keep scolding his players like a third-rate school teacher or that he keeps harping on 'The Right Way.'

He sounds more like a Cult Leader than an NHL Coach.
He sounds exactly like Brent Sutter.
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I'm sorry, our definitions might not be the same.

I dont see 'swearing in practice' to be equivalent to 'preparing the team.'

If you think thats all it takes then ride that Gully train all the way to the station baby!
Come on now. You might hate Gulutzan but he is doing more than "swearing in practice". He is trying to get them focused on the start of the game.
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Come on now. You might hate Gulutzan but he is doing more than "swearing in practice". He is trying to get them focused on the start of the game.
Hes about 150 games late if hes just starting that now.
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I thought it was common knowledge that if a 4th liner/regular scratch is in place of a top forward missing practice that he's a place holder?
This is kinda off topic but I've never understood why it's done that way. Why do you slot the 4th liner in rather than move somebody up short term that might be a better fit? Sure it throws off your other lines too but I can't imagine it's much benefit for Gaudreau and Ferland to practice with Shore.

For instance, if Monahan is out, wouldn't it make sense to slot Bennett or Jankowski in there and see how they respond, see if there's anything worth trying in a game, and allow them to build chemistry with Gaudreau?

You're probably not going to slot Shore in there in a game situation so why not see how somebody else works or reward somebody that's playing well? Maybe it would be useful some day in a game scenario when the top line is struggling or Monahan gets injured mid-game.

They always talk about practicing how you play, isn't this just another example of NOT practicing how you'd play?
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Old 03-12-2018, 02:29 PM   #49
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Hes about 150 games late if hes just starting that now.
But just for the home games right? Somehow he manages to get them going for road games. Can anyone explain how that’s on the coach? I’m serious, I don’t understand how they can be so fantastic on the road and so bad at home.

I would think the two options are that maybe GG is so bad that since he can’t line match on the road then the team is able to shine or maybe since they ostensibly run the same system at home and on the road there’s something about playing at home that affects the team differently. But you can’t blame the coach for that second one so I don’t know that it’s a good reason.
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What's the point of picking up Shore and Stewart if they are just sitting around and not in a game?
Depth in case of injuries.

Cost basically nothing. Not sure criticism is warranted.
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I dont know if I'm more disappointed that he has to keep scolding his players like a third-rate school teacher or that he keeps harping on 'The Right Way.'

He sounds more like a Cult Leader than an NHL Coach.
Well he wouldn't have to do that if the majority of the team followed directions instead of not breaking their bad habits and continually make stupid decisions.
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Well he wouldn't have to do that if the majority of the team followed directions instead of not breaking their bad habits and continually make stupid decisions.
Whose stupid decisions? His or theirs?

You're talking like GG's system if played to perfection, is magic.

"Just do as I say and everything will be fine!"

There is no such thing as a perfect system.
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He sounds exactly like Brent Sutter.
I was gonna say that.

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Whose stupid decisions? His or theirs?

You're talking like GG's system if played to perfection, is magic.

"Just do as I say and everything will be fine!"

There is no such thing as a perfect system.
Yup, when the other team has a counter for GG's system, it's the players not sticking to his system, did I get it right?
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Old 03-12-2018, 02:45 PM   #54
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Dammed if he does, dammed if he doesn't.
I'd suggest the problem is, its not in his nature to get outwardly emotional and appear unhinged that leads to things like stick throwing and shouting expletives. Its not part of his style.

So when he's critisized for being a players' coach who is easy to get along with, and when he's embattled like he is now and he was the day before the stick-throwing, he does something emotional.

I don't think the players believe it. After the stick throwing even Giordano was on camera snickering about it. That being said, it seems to have worked as they went on a win streak.

We'll see how this latest tirade shakes up, but its just not GG's style. One issue seems to be his usual lack of outward emotion seems to be percolating down to lack of intensity from the players.

If Daryl Sutter chewed you out, he didn't even need to yell. His mannerisms were such you knew if you were in the doghouse, and he could even say nice things protecting the players to the media but behind the scenes his dry nature carried weight. GG does not seem to carry weight with these players in that they execute his sytems which aren't working, methodically, and without emotion, just like the coach.
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I'd suggest the problem is, its not in his nature to get outwardly emotional and appear unhinged that leads to things like stick throwing and shouting expletives. Its not part of his style.

So when he's critisized for being a players' coach who is easy to get along with, and when he's embattled like he is now and he was the day before the stick-throwing, he does something emotional.

I don't think the players believe it. After the stick throwing even Giordano was on camera snickering about it. That being said, it seems to have worked as they went on a win streak.

We'll see how this latest tirade shakes up, but its just not GG's style. One issue seems to be his usual lack of outward emotion seems to be percolating down to lack of intensity from the players.

If Daryl Sutter chewed you out, he didn't even need to yell. His mannerisms were such you knew if you were in the doghouse, and he could even say nice things protecting the players to the media but behind the scenes his dry nature carried weight. GG does not seem to carry weight with these players in that they execute his sytems which aren't working, methodically, and without emotion, just like the coach.
It may have seemed like the players, including Gio, were snickering, but they were asked a pointed and specific question, being "How do you rate Gully's stick throw?" The question elicited the type of response.
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Whose stupid decisions? His or theirs?

You're talking like GG's system if played to perfection, is magic.

"Just do as I say and everything will be fine!"

There is no such thing as a perfect system.
Whenever they play the system and everyone brings their lunchpails it is magic. This team is basically an unstoppable when all 4 lines are firing and they play the right way. See: season saving, franchise tying winning streak last year, 7 game streak this year
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Lol, they call that a rant? Seems like a normal coaching/teaching situation to me. As mentioned above, NHL coaches drop f-bombs all the time. Why is this a big news story?
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it's not a rant, it's coaching.

like I said in the GG thread.

it's not the message that gets me, it's the timing.

why, with 13 games left, is GG having to teach this group basics and decision making and taking risks.
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Old 03-12-2018, 04:52 PM   #58
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It’s a coaching thing, maybe a bit more swears then usual but no more then these guys are used to. Non story. You figure though that GG rips them in the room post 1st period not the next day in some unrelated drill.

It’s a bigger deal on the TSN page because Franklin in all his years here is a wallflower, provides no insight or opinion, and his only claim to fame is asking inane, cliched and sometimes duplicated questions in Flames pressers, so any value he actually adds from the Calgary sport scene is jumped all over by his eastern bosses.
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There are multiple threads where there is debate about showing up ready to play. And there seem to be some misunderstandings.

Showing up not ready to play, at lest with the current Flames team, is not about laziness or not caring. It's about not having a gameplan or a mindset that has them in a position to succeed.

Hockey is a game that needs to be played with passion, with emotion, with instincts (not having to think) , and most of all, with confidence.

The Flames come to the rink worried about what the other team is doing, worried about where they are supposed to be, worried about what their role is, and far too confused to play a simple confident game.

THAT'S how they're not ready. It has nothing to do with motivation.

And Gulutzan yelling at them about where they should be in practice is going to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with respect to getting them ready to play Edmonton.

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I like when Gully gets public with his anger with the team. It typically is good for a short stretch of good play which is needed on the eve of another BOA.

They lose badly tomorrow it has to be his fate and the teams as well
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