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dammage79 · 03-22-2018, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by EM11

What did Kerr say? Sound like he knew something, or just what he thought should happen?

In his "laying down the truth" segment. He think's (made perfectly clear that it was his opinion only) that righting the ship is going to take a major shake up.

Radio guys all day seem to be leading into something like there's something really rotten in the locker room. it's not just Francis's written piece, it was on the radio a fair bit today too.

dino7c · 03-22-2018, 10:09 PM

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I just don’t think trading for a 1st is a very good move if you’re BT, and overall it looks like terrible asset management.

Trade a first for a d man, then trade a d-man (Brodie?) for a first? That’s just running around in circles. That is of course if we trade from our supposed area where we have a surplus.

This is all just speculation but I think the Flames have NHL ready prospects to replace what Brodie brings to the table but not necessarily Hamonic.

I think its likely there are multiple moves made though

d_phaneuf · 03-22-2018, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Sounds about right. I could see something like Brodie + Kylington to Montreal for Gallagher and a 2nd (which will be an early 2nd), and Bennett to the Wings for the 1st they got from Vegas and a forward prospect. Then maybe leverage the 2nd to move up in the 1st round.

Or Brodie + Bennett to the Leafs for Kapanen + 1st.

Neither toronto nor montreal have a reason to make those trades

dino7c · 03-22-2018, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kybb79

Ya he scores goals but causes more from his bone head plays. Keep thinking Dougie is Norris Calibre. Your on here all day get a life.

Dougie is a hell of a lot more valuable than kreider (who I like as a player) and if you don't agree you are either trolling or you don't have a ####ing clue

No legit Flames fan would want trade Hamilton for Kreider straight up

camm13 · 03-22-2018, 10:15 PM

Suggestions on trading Bennett for a late 1st is seriously so stupid. He has not lived up to his 4th overall status, but he's still an NHL'er that at the very least can be on your 3rd line. You risk that for unknown commodity in the late rounds, case and point - Klimchuk, Poirier, Shinkurak. If your trading Bennett, he's either part of a package or it's a one for one trade of an NHL caliber player, not straight up for a draft pick.

dammage79 · 03-22-2018, 10:16 PM

I'm gonna get flamed, But I really think you can get a Kings ransom for Gaudreau from about 6 teams in the East. Tripping over themselves in an arms race. Does it hurt the Flames short term? yes. And as everyone will say, the team that gets the best player wins the trade. I get it. But I really think there's a massive overpayment out there for him.

spuzzum · 03-22-2018, 10:17 PM

Sportsnet hosts on NHL Central made an interesting comparison as to what the Oilers did trading Hall for Larsson. Is Brodie equal to Larsson in value? Trading one of our core defensemen for an established top scoring winger. Trying to pick up a first for anyone of the core players make absolutely no sense. Draft outside of the top 3 is a crap shoot.

EM11 · 03-22-2018, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm gonna get flamed, But I really think you can get a Kings ransom for Gaudreau from about 6 teams in the East. Tripping over themselves in an arms race. Does it hurt the Flames short term? yes. And as everyone will say, the team that gets the best player wins the trade. I get it. But I really think there's a massive overpayment out there for him.

you are not the only one thinking it.

dino7c · 03-22-2018, 10:21 PM

I would rather see Gaudreau play with a skilled RWer than move him...it would have to be one hell of a deal

Guy is at worst point per game this year playing on a team with next to no offence

Psytic · 03-22-2018, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I could see the Flames re-tooling. By re-tool, I mean trade 2 core pieces. That would mean two of:

Gaudreau
Monahan
Backlund
Tkachuk
Giordano
Brodie
Hamilton

I would trade Gio and not because I don't like him. I love him as a player BUT if we could pull some Poile style Weber for Suban type deal and avoid the back end of his contract or get a first line RW..... I would try Brodie back on his strong side and try to build up some value again and then trade him to for more forward scoring depth. I still believe we go no where with Backlund and Frolik as our second line. I like them both but ideally they are a top flight 3rd line pairing not a second line scoring paring. We can roll with Andersson and Valmaki on D. We probably wouldn't be much worse than we are now. Vegas makes due with a worse D on Paper.

lazypucker · 03-22-2018, 10:35 PM

You have to trade quality for quality and sometimes blockbuster trades do work out. Look at Nashville (Jones for Johansson, Weber for Subban, Girard + parts for Turris)...

The Flames need to do something similar. Signing and trading for 2nd,3rd, 4th tier players like Frolik and Stone doesn't work.

Otto-matic · 03-22-2018, 10:40 PM

I don't see the Flames making any big moves unless Mony or Johnny wants out of Calgary. They theoretically have most of the pieces to build a cup contender but they just don't have anyone who knows how to put them together.

I'd give a proper coach ie Sutter/Q/AV a shot at righting the ship before moving off some key players. No more experimental first year rookie coaches or out of the box thinkers. We need a proven NHL winner.

GullFoss · 03-22-2018, 10:47 PM

Would trade hamonic and kulak to NYI for flames 1st and 2nd. Move Brodie back to his off wing. Bring up andersson and kylington. They're ready.

Ashasx · 03-22-2018, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm gonna get flamed, But I really think you can get a Kings ransom for Gaudreau from about 6 teams in the East. Tripping over themselves in an arms race. Does it hurt the Flames short term? yes. And as everyone will say, the team that gets the best player wins the trade. I get it. But I really think there's a massive overpayment out there for him.

When was the last time a team traded a young scoring phenom and ended up on the better side of the trade?

Seguin? Hall?

Why are we considering trading Gaudreau again? So we can rebuild the rebuild? Because if we traded Gaudreau, we may as well trade away everyone not named Tkachuk and start from scratch.

Strange Brew · 03-22-2018, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm gonna get flamed, But I really think you can get a Kings ransom for Gaudreau from about 6 teams in the East. Tripping over themselves in an arms race. Does it hurt the Flames short term? yes. And as everyone will say, the team that gets the best player wins the trade. I get it. But I really think there's a massive overpayment out there for him.

I’m listening. What would that massive overpayment look like? This team is not loaded with skill.

Corral · 03-22-2018, 11:06 PM

Teams spend lots of $$$ scouting each other. They all know Brodie is a bit of reclamation project right now. He's not getting the return some of you think he is this off-season. Hamilton is the only Dman on this roster that will bring what we need in return (top 6 FWD) plus a 1st rounder as a 'major shake up'.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Arizona - for obvious reasons.

Inglewood Jack · 03-22-2018, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm gonna get flamed, But I really think you can get a Kings ransom for Gaudreau from about 6 teams in the East. Tripping over themselves in an arms race. Does it hurt the Flames short term? yes. And as everyone will say, the team that gets the best player wins the trade. I get it. But I really think there's a massive overpayment out there for him.

Examples please, I'm dying to know how booting the 6.75M 85-90 point winger in his early prime brings the Flames closer to a cup.

Kybb79 · 03-22-2018, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Dougie is a hell of a lot more valuable than kreider (who I like as a player) and if you don't agree you are either trolling or you don't have a ####ing clue

No legit Flames fan would want trade Hamilton for Kreider straight up

I didn't mean a straight up trade. Kreider is a solid player he would bring alot to this team. Call me a troll all you want i can't stand soft one dimensional players. Dougie Hurts this team. I don't care how many goals he has. Oiler fans like personal stats not me.

dammage79 · 03-22-2018, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

When was the last time a team traded a young scoring phenom and ended up on the better side of the trade?

Seguin? Hall?

Why are we considering trading Gaudreau again? So we can rebuild the rebuild? Because if we traded Gaudreau, we may as well trade away everyone not named Tkachuk and start from scratch.

Look what the Flyers got for Richards, Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds. Look at what they got for Carter, Voracek and Couturier. Pretty much all core pieces of the Flyers now except for Schenn. Who Philly traded to saint loo for Lehtera and now drafted Morgan frost. Pretty good hauls.

dino7c · 03-22-2018, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kybb79

I didn't mean a straight up trade. Kreider is a solid player he would bring alot to this team. Call me a troll all you want i can't stand soft one dimensional players.

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Originally Posted by Kybb79

Kreider is worth Hamilton imo.

Really? It certainly looks like that is exactly what you suggested...considering you literally said it