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Old 03-19-2018, 03:40 PM   #821
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:48 PM   #822
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We had 3 The other two were the Magnificent and Warrior. Bonaventure was the last of them.

The Bonaventure was laid down as the HMS Powerful. How's that for a freakin name?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Bonaventure
Yeah, I heard that the British selected that name because HMS Big Swinging %%% was taken.
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:58 PM   #824
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documentary on HMCS Warrior

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Old 03-19-2018, 04:25 PM   #825
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The Warrior is an interesting one because iirc it was built by the RN to be used in the Pacific and Indian ocean. So it could be brought into service asap they sped up construction by not installing stuff like heaters. So you can imagine the issues when it was brought into Canadian service

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Old 03-19-2018, 04:33 PM   #826
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The Warrior is an interesting one because iirc correctly it was built by the RN to be used in the Pacific and Indian ocean. So it could be brought into service asap they sped up construction by not installing stuff like heaters. So you can imagine the issues when it was brought into Canadian service
That's why it was only in service for two years and then "Traded" back to the British for the Magnificent.

It eventually ended up in the Argentine Navy
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Old 03-19-2018, 04:39 PM   #827
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Not to be mean about the state of our Navy, but in 2010 during he Centennial celebration of the Canadian Navy, Our GG boarded the HMCS Algonquin to review the ships of various foreign Navies who came to pay their respect.

When the flag ship of the Canadian Navy sailed majestically past the USS Ronald Reagan, the Captain of the Aircraft Carrier turned to his XO and said "Its really amazing that they managed to find a ship that was around when the Canadian Navy was founded"
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That's why it was only in service for two years and then "Traded" back to the British for the Magnificent.

It eventually ended up in the Argentine Navy
At least they managed to exchange it. If that was today they'd spent a few hundred million and 10 years 'updating' and 'canadianizing' the design, just for it to still not work and be retired anyway
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Old 03-19-2018, 06:40 PM   #829
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Just to put this in perspective

Number Desc commissioned

12 Halifax Class MR Frigate 1992
12 Kingston Class Coastal 1996
4 Victoria Class Submarines 1990
41 Sikorsky CHS-22 Seaking 1963
ASW Submarines
21 CP140-Aurora 1979


Airforce

5 Airbus CC150 Polaris 1992
72(maybe) CF-18s 1983
80 Bell CH-146 1995
15 CH-149 Comorant 2000
15 ch147 Chinook 2010
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Then they wonder why they have trouble with recruitment.
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Old 03-19-2018, 08:05 PM   #831
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When the recruiter tells you about the future of the Navy...

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so Canada sends a Helicopter group to Mali. After standing on stages and screaming "We're back" like a pro wrestler returning to Madison Square Guardians, instead of taking a leading role as promised, they sent a Helicopter group.

Personally I'm glad, Mali is a meat grinder, and I'm not a fan of Peace Keeping as a whole. I think Canadians that think romantically about Canadian Soldiers in Blue Beret's standing between fighting sides are mis-informed.

I think that Canada has taken a credibility to hit with the UN by deciding to take the safest mission, probably for public relations purposes.

http://www.janes.com/article/78699/c...-group-to-mali
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Cool pic of the HMCS Windsor over in the Mediterranean.

Saw on reddit

Being a Victoria class sub it's hard to tell if it's diving or sinking, either way, looks sweet

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I remember when they discussed buying the Upholders, I was kind of excited by it, because it was a good concept, marrying the sensors and weapons systems and quieting of a advanced SSN with a diesel electric boat. It was a good concept for Canada. It was unfortunate that we didn't do our due diligence and bought retired boats that hadn't been properly maintained.
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Subs are freakin sweet
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Defense Critic looks at the latest budget by the Liberals in relation to their "White Paper from last year"

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Pilots are leaving Canada's Air Force, and morale is demoralized. That's from defence critic and Selkirk-Interlake-Eastman MP James Bezan, following the Liberal government's failure to provide new funding for the Canadian National Defence in this year's budget.


"As you know, just about a year ago the Liberals brought down their new defence policy, 'Strong, Secure, Engaged,'" says Bezan. "To make that defence policy a reality, they have to actually resource it and provide the dollars to obtain the necessary equipment."


Bezan says the rhetoric over the issue of procurement is disjointed, and has created uncertainty among Canadian fighter pilots about their future in fighter aircraft.


He notes waiting continues to bring the orders for the next generation of service combatants for the Royal Canadian Navy, and there are many other holes in what the Liberals say they're planning and what they're actually getting done. Bezan says it's all due to not properly budgeting those dollars.
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Bezan says it's the biggest spending budget the Country's ever had. Deficits continue at over $18-billion, which is three times higher than what they promised in year three of their mandate. He adds it's due to pandering to special interest groups. Bezan notes money goes overseas to various organizations that aren't making any improvements in our Canadian way of life apart from higher taxes. He explains Canadians are paying an average of over $800 a year per person more than before Trudeau came to power.


He says the defence file shows typical Liberal dithering and delays, and failure to provide resources and equipment to our troops, which affects the morale of our personnel who serve the country so well in uniform. Bezan notes this departure of fighter pilots from the air force is becoming somewhat of a crisis. Part of it is due to attrition, he says. but much of it is results from frustration about the replacement of the CF-18s into the circus it has become.


Bezan says Trudeau promised to not buy the F-35, and instead buy the Boeing Super Hornet. He says the Prime Minister then walked away from the deal when Boeing and Bombardier squabbled over the issue. He notes Trudeau then picked sides and is now planning to buy used F-18 Hornets from Australia which are 35 to 40-years old, which is as old as our current fleet is. He notes while Trudeau refused to buy F-35s, Australia's getting rid of the decades-old F-18 Hornets in order to purchase F-35s. Bezan notes we're buying used fighter jets to replace our current used F-18s, adding it's a joke as we watch this played out. He explains the military's seeing people not wanting to join or stay in the forces due to this debacle.
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Mass retirements at the top levels of the Military leave Canada's defense wobbling


Talking to some friends of mine, the same message comes out.

1) The Mark Norman case has had a large impact on moral at a senior level

2) Nobody trusts Canada's defense minister

3) Nobody respects Jonathan Vance

4) The Liberals are going to do nothing to improve the Armed Forces while they're in power so people aren't sticking around.

5) That nobody wants to be at the head of an organization that sends soldiers into danger without giving a crap about them.
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If Canada wants to win a seat on the UN security Council then they're going to need to put actual feet on the ground in Africa.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...congo-car.html
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