Calgary Flames 21-22 Roster speculation

[Da_Chief]

Hyman 5 years at $6.0 mill, Treiliving's annual terrible signing.
Send Kylington and a 2nd round pick to Seattle not to take Giordano (they take a prospect like Gawdin).
Bring in 5-6 PTOs. 5 of them get rotated on the bottom line. 1 is saved in the minors in case of injuries so they don't have to bring up the prospects and mess with the teams success.

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Monahan-Hyman
Lucic-Backlund-Dube
PTO-PTO-PTO
PTO-PTO

Giordano-Tanev
Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Stone
PTO

Markstrom
PTO

The answers are within the room...Burke must've written them down somewhere. I'm guessing they washed in the last flood and they're still looking for them...

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Hyman 5 years at $6.0 mill, Treiliving's annual terrible signing.
Send Kylington and a 2nd round pick to Seattle not to take Giordano (they take a prospect like Gawdin).
Bring in 5-6 PTOs. 5 of them get rotated on the bottom line. 1 is saved in the minors in case of injuries so they don't have to bring up the prospects and mess with the teams success.

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Monahan-Hyman
Lucic-Backlund-Dube
PTO-PTO-PTO
PTO-PTO

Giordano-Tanev
Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Stone
PTO

Markstrom
PTO

The answers are within the room...Burke must've written them down somewhere. I'm guessing they washed in the last flood and they're still looking for them...

Lol, yes, spend 3 assets to save Giordano.

That would be a mistake of the highest order.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Hyman 5 years at $6.0 mill, Treiliving's annual terrible signing.
Send Kylington and a 2nd round pick to Seattle not to take Giordano (they take a prospect like Gawdin).
Bring in 5-6 PTOs. 5 of them get rotated on the bottom line. 1 is saved in the minors in case of injuries so they don't have to bring up the prospects and mess with the teams success.

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Monahan-Hyman
Lucic-Backlund-Dube
PTO-PTO-PTO
PTO-PTO

Giordano-Tanev
Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Stone
PTO

Markstrom
PTO

The answers are within the room...Burke must've written them down somewhere. I'm guessing they washed in the last flood and they're still looking for them...

I'm hoping you're just being obtuse. That is pretty much worse possible scenario imo.

[NewFan]

I hope BT makes a big change and bring true 1 line player.
Otherwise I hope he doesn't bring average player with high cost/salary.
This team needs good pro scouts that can scout other team's prospects and AHL teams and try find hidden talent who needs change or opportunity.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I think Seattle takes Giordano and Monahan gets traded.

If only the Flames kept Bennett for that 2nd line C spot.

With the season he just had I don't think the market for Sean Monahan is strong at all. It will be a surprise to see him get moved.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Lol, yes, spend 3 assets to save Giordano.

That would be a mistake of the highest order.

I think that's his point.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Don't the Flames need another goaltender under contract to expose at the Expansion Draft?

Wolf doesn't count (ELC).

One of the goaltenders in their organization (Domingue, Zagidulin or Parsons) needs to be extended.

Similar to the Flames exposing Tom McCollum for the Vegas draft.

Not convinced they hand onto Parsons at this point, unfortunately.

[Geeoff]

Probably the same team. Different plugs in the bottom 6

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Don't the Flames need another goaltender under contract to expose at the Expansion Draft?

Wolf doesn't count (ELC).

One of the goaltenders in their organization (Domingue, Zagidulin or Parsons) needs to be extended.

Similar to the Flames exposing Tom McCollum for the Vegas draft.

Not convinced they hand onto Parsons at this point, unfortunately.

They would be crazy to walk away from Parsons now. You can extend him cheap and we have all seen how many goalies don't break out until after 25. Parsons has the toolset to be a very good NHL goalie but he needs to kick the injury bug.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Don't the Flames need another goaltender under contract to expose at the Expansion Draft?

Wolf doesn't count (ELC).

One of the goaltenders in their organization (Domingue, Zagidulin or Parsons) needs to be extended.

Similar to the Flames exposing Tom McCollum for the Vegas draft.

Not convinced they hand onto Parsons at this point, unfortunately.

Players who meet the requirements can be unsigned RFAs.

Parsons meets the goalie requirements for us.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Players who meet the requirements can be unsigned RFAs.

Parsons meets the goalie requirements for us.

Only the exposed goalie can be an RFA.

To meet the F & D exposure requirements, the players need to be under contract for 2021-22. That's why they need to either sign one of the pending UFA forwards, trade for a forward who is under contract for next season, or expose one of the signed forwards who could otherwise be protected, like Backlund.

[AustinL_NHL]

Unfortunate that the Flames can't sign Mangiapane to a 10+ year extension.

Lock him up for the max 8 years. Guy is simply a stud

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

With the season he just had I don't think the market for Sean Monahan is strong at all. It will be a surprise to see him get moved.

I can't remember who it was but I heard a great segment on the fan this week about the Boston bruins and the potential downfall of hanging on to players that don't fit your team because of a perceived value that you might lose in a trade.

Basically saying that they clearly "lost" the trades they made for franchise players like Thornton and Seguin but they identified that those players didn't match the vision and culture that they wanted so they got rid of them.

By being more worried about the type of team they wanted to build and not getting bent out of shape about the perceived value of the assets they were moving out they built a winning culture that lead to team success.

This is why trading a guy like Monahan is less about what you get get.for him and more about being honest about what keepingnhim around will bring to the team.

[Bunk]

Apropos of nothing - just saw Lucic and Tanev electric scootering through Hillhurst. Spending the summer here, I guess.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

I can't remember who it was but I heard a great segment on the fan this week about the Boston bruins and the potential downfall of hanging on to players that don't fit your team because of a perceived value that you might lose in a trade.

Basically saying that they clearly "lost" the trades they made for franchise players like Thornton and Seguin but they identified that those players didn't match the vision and culture that they wanted so they got rid of them.

By being more worried about the type of team they wanted to build and not getting bent out of shape about the perceived value of the assets they were moving out they built a winning culture that lead to team success.

This is why trading a guy like Monahan is less about what you get get.for him and more about being honest about what keepingnhim around will bring to the team.

It sure is interesting that on paper Bruins made two of the worst trades in memory shipping off HoF centers for parts - And are arguably the most successful franchise of the last decade

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Apropos of nothing - just saw Lucic and Tanev electric scootering through Hillhurst. Spending the summer here, I guess.

Looch tweeted this out earlier today...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1400513539547099138

They're probably staying in town at least until the end of the school year for his older daughters.


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Looks like Monahan is on the road to recovery too.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by getbak

Looch tweeted this out earlier today...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1400513539547099138

They're probably staying in town at least until the end of the school year for his older daughters.


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Looks like Monahan is on the road to recovery too.

I see Johnny and Monahan still work out together.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Apropos of nothing - just saw Lucic and Tanev electric scootering through Hillhurst. Spending the summer here, I guess.

Pretty sure looch completely moved to Calgary.

He bought the house and the whole works (no condo like most players).

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Ryan - I like Ryan. I think he will be cheap to re-sign. Great on face-offs, dependable all over the ice, always giving a full effort too. What's not to like about him? I just don't see him as a 4th liner, and would rather the Flames get a bit bigger and nastier there (with hopefully some skill). I think that 4th line needs to become a 4th line that actually gives energy - hit everything on sight, legitimately hard to play against, fast, abrasive, but still capable of scoring the occasional game too like Ryan. I don't think his salary will be even half of what it is now, but I would still rather move on. Part of this is that I would also prefer that the Flames start getting larger overall, and a team with Gaudreau, Mangiapane, Dube, Pelletier, Phillips and Ryan, combined with players that overall aren't very difficult to play against like Monahan, Lindholm, Backlund, makes for a team that is overall rather easy to play against. Flames need to start looking at getting bigger, so I would prefer that his spot goes to Ruzicka, or even a FA with some size/speed/depth scoring ability.

I find it interesting that no one is expecting Pelletier to be a Flame this year. This is the only mention of him in this thread

Likely he will need at least part of a year in the AHL but usually in the off season a 1st round pick that is NHL bound in the draft year +3 should be somewhat close to the NHL level.



Maybe there is no hype because he did not get NHL exhibition games this past season.

Valimaki got 24 NHL games in D+2 and was basically guaranteed an NHL spot in his D+4 after missing D+3

[Heavy Jack]

I’m really liking the thought of a Monahan for Laine deal that’s been bounced around by some here; ideally Backlund is selected in the expansion draft versus Gio but I just can’t see that happening and if we hold onto Backlund it makes dealing Monahan easier to stomach. I do think Pelletier has a chance to earn a spot in camp and I’d love to see it, I think he would play well with Dube and Backlund.

Say we trade Monahan at the draft for Laine and Gio is also selected in the expansion draft, at that point the roster would look something like this ahead of UFA:

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - ??? - Laine
??? - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - ??? - ????

Hanifin - Tanev
Valimaki - Andersson
??? - ???

Markstrom
???

The ??? In the bottom 6 could all be internally filled by the following prospects:

Ruzicka
Phillips
Gawdin
Pelletier
Zary

The ??? In the 2nd slot could either be filled by moving Backlund up and bringing in a UFA 3rd line Center option (bring Ryan back? Sign Getzlaf, Krejci or Stastny?) or we could leave Backlund slotted down and take a swing at a RNH??

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - RNH - Laine
Pelletier - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - Getzlaf - Gawdin
Phillips

Hanifin - Tanev
Valimaki - Andersson
Kylington - Stone
Mackey

Markstrom
???

Still leaves us with lots of work to do on the backend but that top 6 is lethal if they can put it together and the bottom 6 has balance.