On-going Calgarians hit by trains thread

[you&me]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

Has there ever been two separate pedestrian fatalities on the same day before with the C Train? Coincidence I know, but I don't recall this in the 21 years I have lived here.

That's crazy, very extraordinary.

[Resolute 14]

Almost certainly the first time there's been two fatalities in two separate incidents, I'd imagine.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

yeah the fact the girl was 10 and not 6 drastically changes my opinion on the parents. 10 is old enough that id let my kids get home from school alone, so how can i judge these parents?

my whole body and heart aches for this poor child and parents. what a ####ing tragedy.

From the cbc article. So it is 6?

Police initially said the girl's age was 10, then revised it to seven and later to six. They have not identified her publicly.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...dent-1.4863124

[Jimmy Stang]

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[Jimmy Stang]

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[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

From the cbc article. So it is 6?


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...dent-1.4863124

Whelp. Parents need to be held criminally responsible as far as I'm concerned. Maybe an overreaction but there's no way in hell your child should be using the train alone at that age.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Whelp. Parents need to be held criminally responsible as far as I'm concerned. Maybe an overreaction but there's no way in hell your child should be using the train alone at that age.

Where did you get that info?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Whelp. Parents need to be held criminally responsible as far as I'm concerned. Maybe an overreaction but there's no way in hell your child should be using the train alone at that age.

Yeah I have a 6 year old and there is no way I would let her walk by herself through a CTrain crosswalk.

[MolsonInBothHands]

How do we know the girl was alone? I know it's possible, but is there a report confirming as much? My 6 year old boy was notorious for darting ahead of us and making me terrified and furious, all at once. It's also possible for a sibling to lose control of a younger as well.

Lots of time for analysis for those that will get all the facts.

Parents worst nightmare, and I feel terrible for them.

[81MC]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Whelp. Parents need to be held criminally responsible as far as I'm concerned. Maybe an overreaction...

Overreaction indeed. Losing their child isn’t enough eh?

[Robbob]

I still have no idea which school the kid would be walking to. That crossing at 162nd is nowhere near an elementary school that I am aware of.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Overreaction indeed. Losing their child isn’t enough eh?

No, not if they let a 6 year old use a c train alone. If you're child dies due to your criminal negligence your guilt alone isn't "good enough".

If they paid someone to look after their child and that person failed, then that's different. Or if they we're with her and she ran ahead for some reason. But again, if this scenario is where the parents thought it would be ok for a 6 year old to go to the train station alone then punishment has to be dealt.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by GGG

The fault question troubles me because an accident is exactly what it is an accident. A human being is faulty, when designing systems that humans interface with you have to account that humans aren’t reliable actors.

So we can say it wasn’t the trains fault and the human shouldn’t have been there but that isn’t the right question to ask. It’s are there things that can be changed in the design that don’t affect function that could reduce risk of incidents.

NM I read this again and agree

[getbak]

According to the reports, she was at 162 Ave, which is about a half a kilometre north of the C-Train station. That would explain why the train had enough speed to not be able to stop in time, and there may not have been any other people crossing at that time to tell her what to do and she panicked.

I wouldn't be surprised if her parents taught her to not go across the tracks if the lights were flashing and the bells were ringing, but didn't tell her what to do if she was halfway across when the bells started and that's why she panicked.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

No, not if they let a 6 year old use a c train alone. If you're child dies due to your criminal negligence your guilt alone isn't "good enough".



If they paid someone to look after their child and that person failed, then that's different. Or if they we're with her and she ran ahead for some reason. But again, if this scenario is where the parents thought it would be ok for a 6 year old to go to the train station alone then punishment has to be dealt.

No articles say the 6 year old was using the train.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Wormius

No articles say the 6 year old was using the train.

She either was using it, or, she was crossing in front of it. In fact using train crossings is a lot more dangerous than getting on a train with a dedicated platform.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Whelp. Parents need to be held criminally responsible as far as I'm concerned. Maybe an overreaction but there's no way in hell your child should be using the train alone at that age.

Honestly, "maybe an overreaction" should be your user title.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

While it is almost certainly true that parents would not be reading CP right now, it seems every time there is some kind of horrible tragedy of this nature, the thread will quickly devolve into sniping between people judging the circumstances and people just wanting to express sympathy for something very sad.

Very tiresome.

[jayswin]

Dion, what are you doing?

[Acey]

Assuming this is true, you can all shut up now.