Seattle Expansion Draft Speculation

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

If they exposed Monahan they wouldn't have to convince Seattle to take him, its be an obvious and easy choice.

It would also be crazy, since they could let Seattle take someone less valuable and trade Monahan for assets. He would almost certainly be one of if not the very best centre available to them.

It really depends on Monny's health, which at this stage is unknown to all of us.

If he gets exposed to the expansion draft, we can assume that Calgary thinks he's broken beyond repair, which means that Seattle would have access to the same health reports and would presumably feel the same way.

If his health looks encouraging, zero chance he gets exposed.

[Erick Estrada]

Why in the heck would would the Flames expose Monahan? Yes he had a tough season but he's still only 26 years old.

[kyuss275]

Exposing Monahan has to be one of the dumbest ideas I have ever read on CP and that’s saying something.

[FanIn80]

Super-hypothetical: If there was a way to be sure that Grubauer would sign with us, would you guys expose Markstrom?


Edit: Wait, that would be dumb. Give a #1 goalie to a division rival for free. Also, just giving him away to anyone for free would be stupid.

[GioforPM]

I said it before (about a different player). You don’t expose someone because you want Seattle to take them. You expose someone because you have to protect someone else. If there was no Dube, there would be no need to ask Lucic to waive his NMC.

Assuming one’s worst fears or biggest criticisms about Monahan are true, he’s still worth something in a trade. No one could argue he’s not worth some sort of asset in return. Exposing him is just dumb.

[TheIronMaiden]

To me the debate is between exposing Giordano or Backlund.



Tbh it's sad to see either go, but materially the Flames can move on from those contracts with little regret.

[FanIn80]

I'm worried about losing this from our dressing room https://calgarysun.com/sports/flames...carries-weight

I've said many times here that Looch was one of my all-time faves when he was with Boston. I remember also saying that the only real saving grace in the trade that brought him here (other than addition by subtracting Neal) was that he was sure to waive for Seattle.

Now we're coming up on the draft, and when I look at his contract in terms of 50% for on-ice value and 50% for off-ice, I fully believe we're getting our money's worth. Would I re-sign him for the same amount? Of course not, but I no longer feel like we need to get him off the books -- and in fact I feel like losing him would be very bad.

[Classic_Sniper]

It’ll probably cost the Flames several draft picks in the end is what I’m guessing.

Although I still don’t know, does anyone else see the Flames trading Noah Hanifin this offseason for the cap space and to avoid giving Seattle a top 4 D? Just the way Sutter demoted Hanifin in the end and lack of endorsements from the coach and GM leads me to thinking it’s a possibility.

[TheIronMaiden]

^ I totally disagree. Sutter is just trying to hold young players accountable.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Stop the Kraken from claiming a top 4 defenseman by having less than 4 top 4 defenseman is such a Flames thing to do especially when one of those defenders is going to retire in a year or two.

I think we're overthinking things. If they want to claim a 38 year old Giordano for one year, should he not retire, let them do so and thank them for the cap-space.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

To me the debate is between exposing Giordano or Backlund.



Tbh it's sad to see either go, but materially the Flames can move on from those contracts with little regret.

If you choose to protect Gio and all the other eligible starting D you have to go the 8 skaters route and you end up exposing not only Backlund, but also Monahan and Dube. Or else you have to expose another D, like Tanev or Andersson:

Tkachuk, Lindholm, Gaudreau, Mangiapane, Gio, Tanev, Andersson, Hanifin

Or

Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, Mangiapane, Dube, Backlund, Gio, Hanifin, Andersson or Tanev

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

^ I totally disagree. Sutter is just trying to hold young players accountable.

Is it though? He used the word entitlement to explain the Flames’ usage of its young players. What’s going to change from now and into September? Is Darryl going to be perfectly fine with losing his newly appointed #1 Dman who plays 26-27 minutes a night for his #4 defenseman?

Actions speak louder than words to me and the idea that he’s holding young players more “accountable” as some form of lesson just doesn’t hold much weight. Darryl is pretty black and white, he wants to win and he wants guys who can do that for him regardless of age/potential/draft pedigree.

[TheIronMaiden]

Well then it is easy.


Not emotionally, but certainly pragmatically.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Stop the Kraken from claiming a top 4 defenseman by having less than 4 top 4 defenseman is such a Flames thing to do especially when one of those defenders is going to retire in a year or two.

I think we're overthinking things. If they want to claim a 38 year old Giordano for one year, should he not retire, let them do so and thank them for the cap-space.

I think Gio can play for a long time, similar to Chara. He’s generally the fittest Flame in camp and he also relies on his hockey sense/iq and excellent timing. Darryl’s system hides his mobility flaws. Gio has always has a hard time turning and being beaten wide. Darryl’s system shelters that a bit more than Ward’s system.

I just find it disingenuous to think that Darryl freaking Sutter will be perfectly fine with giving up his 26-27 minute defenseman who plays on the top pair plus #1 PP and #1 PK all because the guy is 38 years old. If anything, age works in the favor of the new coach as the youth on this team have been routinely punished both verbally and in usage.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Is it though? He used the word entitlement to explain the Flames’ usage of its young players. What’s going to change from now and into September? Is Darryl going to be perfectly fine with losing his newly appointed #1 Dman who plays 26-27 minutes a night for his #4 defenseman?

Actions speak louder than words to me and the idea that he’s holding young players more “accountable” as some form of lesson just doesn’t hold much weight. Darryl is pretty black and white, he wants to win and he wants guys who can do that for him regardless of age/potential/draft pedigree.

I'm near certain you got Valimaki and Hanifin confused or I missed something. He specifically called out Dube and Valimaki at the end of the season. Hanifin was getting 20 minutes a night under Sutter.

When Hanifin went down for surgery he said "It's better to take care of it now and get ready for next year" and more importantly, said he was the type of player you don't replace....

“He’s a guy who plays a lot of even-strength minutes for our team. You don’t just replace it,” said Flames head coach Darryl Sutter. “You lose the player, and that’s unfortunate.”

[_Q_]

The Calgary frickin Flames.... a lottery team with garbage players, wants to use assets that they can't afford in order to protect some of their worst players. That's the Flames way.

[GranteedEV]

Expecting to lose Kylington or Phillips and watch them go on to play big roles for the Kraken

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I'm worried about losing this from our dressing room https://calgarysun.com/sports/flames...carries-weight

I've said many times here that Looch was one of my all-time faves when he was with Boston. I remember also saying that the only real saving grace in the trade that brought him here (other than addition by subtracting Neal) was that he was sure to waive for Seattle.

Now we're coming up on the draft, and when I look at his contract in terms of 50% for on-ice value and 50% for off-ice, I fully believe we're getting our money's worth. Would I re-sign him for the same amount? Of course not, but I no longer feel like we need to get him off the books -- and in fact I feel like losing him would be very bad.

I like Lucic. I was part of the crowd who really liked the trade, partly because it got James Neal out of a Flames uniform, but also because Lucic excels along the boards, on the cycle and in playoffs. But with that said, if there was a feasible way to free up the $5+ million that you’re paying a role player, then you gotta do it.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I'm near certain you got Valimaki and Hanifin confused or I missed something. He specifically called out Dube and Valimaki at the end of the season. Hanifin was getting 20 minutes a night under Sutter.

When Hanifin went down for surgery he said "It's better to take care of it now and get ready for next year" and more importantly, said he was the type of player you don't replace....

Nope I’m talking about Hanifin. Valimaki absolutely took it in the teeth with Sutter, but the evidence of entitlement is also there with Hanifin. Dube goes from #1 line to bench/scratch with Sutter. Hanifin is demoted from top pair to second pair under Sutter. Darryl also went on record to say that Rasmus Andersson was his #3 guy, so by default, that puts Hanifin at #4. Also, in the final presser with Treliving, he didn’t even mention Hanifin’s name when it came to young players who took a step this season. He specifically pointed out Andersson and Mangiapane from what I heard.

Regardless. I’m not saying this will happen. I’m just saying, there’s evidence to pointing to Gio staying and not being the one exposed. Maybe the Flames will just send a pick or 2 to Seattle in the process, who knows.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by _Q_

The Calgary frickin Flames.... a lottery team with garbage players, wants to use assets that they can't afford in order to protect some of their worst players. That's the Flames way.

Gio is not one of the worst players on this team. He’s still the Flames’ best overall defenseman. That’s why Darryl has him playing the most minutes and in all the important situations. Isn’t this what people wanted? Ward gone and Darryl in so he could tell everyone who belongs and who doesn’t?