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Old 05-05-2020, 06:49 PM   #161
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To FlamesAddition's point, one thing to not forget here is that if we find life (let alone intellectual life) in other parts of the galaxy, it may just be remnants or what once existed. So many variables in planetary existence are at play. We should be incredibly joyous to find any sign - whether it's tiny microbial life that existed millions of years ago or human-like dopplegangers that may exist today.

If there was even a shred of evidence of life on mars existing at one point and its found during our lifetime, that would be monumental news that shakes our belief system about life to the core. Would love to see it.
I really hope we find something. The irony is none of it really matters unless we can do something good on earth and progress as a people before we destroy ourselves and our planet.

But it's still cool to dream about a major discovery that changes everything we thought we knew.
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Old 05-05-2020, 07:43 PM   #162
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To FlamesAddition's point, one thing to not forget here is that if we find life (let alone intellectual life) in other parts of the galaxy, it may just be remnants or what once existed. So many variables in planetary existence are at play. We should be incredibly joyous to find any sign - whether it's tiny microbial life that existed millions of years ago or human-like dopplegangers that may exist today.

If there was even a shred of evidence of life on mars existing at one point and its found during our lifetime, that would be monumental news that shakes our belief system about life to the core. Would love to see it.
I think the next rover will discover evidence of past microbial life on Mars. The evidence that conditions existed for microbial life to exist on Mars is getting pretty strong.

I suspect it won’t be a big deal. People’s belief system will just marginally adjust or just exclude that evidence from their daily life.
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Old 05-05-2020, 07:58 PM   #163
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And Mars is close enough that you can't discount that it's just a migrant from Earth. Life on a moon around a gas giant would be more convincing of a separate incident of abiogenesis
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Old 05-05-2020, 08:23 PM   #164
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And Mars is close enough that you can't discount that it's just a migrant from Earth. Life on a moon around a gas giant would be more convincing of a separate incident of abiogenesis
I hadnít considered that as a possibility that life on Mars might not be evidence of a second creation event.
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Yeah Sean Carroll had a guy on his Mindscape podcast recently that talked about life elsewhere in the solar system that was super interesting and they talk about this briefly.

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com...-solar-system/

It’s hard doing science when you only have one data point, especially when that data point is subject to an enormous selection bias. That’s the situation faced by people studying the nature and prevalence of life in the universe. The only biosphere we know about is our own, and our knowing anything at all is predicated on its existence, so it’s unclear how much it can teach us about the bigger picture. That’s why it’s so important to search for life elsewhere. Today’s guest is Kevin Hand, a planetary scientist and astrobiologist who knows as much as anyone about the prospects for finding life right in our planetary backyard, on moons and planets in the Solar System. We talk about how life comes to be, and reasons why it might be lurking on Europa, Titan, or elsewhere.
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Old 05-05-2020, 10:35 PM   #166
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Yeah Sean Carroll had a guy on his Mindscape podcast recently that talked about life elsewhere in the solar system that was super interesting and they talk about this briefly.

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com...-solar-system/

It’s hard doing science when you only have one data point, especially when that data point is subject to an enormous selection bias. That’s the situation faced by people studying the nature and prevalence of life in the universe. The only biosphere we know about is our own, and our knowing anything at all is predicated on its existence, so it’s unclear how much it can teach us about the bigger picture. That’s why it’s so important to search for life elsewhere. Today’s guest is Kevin Hand, a planetary scientist and astrobiologist who knows as much as anyone about the prospects for finding life right in our planetary backyard, on moons and planets in the Solar System. We talk about how life comes to be, and reasons why it might be lurking on Europa, Titan, or elsewhere.
It would be pretty cool if we found some of these guys"

Spoiler!


Apparently there were some left on the moon.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49265125
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Romanian Engineers Have Created a Fully Functional Flying Saucer

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Without question, the All-Directional Flying Object, or ADIFO, looks exactly like a stereotypical flying saucer. However, ADIFOís creators say the inspiration for their uniquely shaped aircraft doesn't come from UFO lore. Instead, they say the disk is designed to mimic the back cross-section of a dolphin's airfoil.
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Operating like a quadcopter, ADIFO handles ďtake-off, landing, and slow speed maneuversĒ through four ducted fans. A pair of jet engines located at the rear of the flying disc provide horizontal thrust. Sabie says the dual-propulsion system can vector individually, affording the ADIFO a high degree of agility during level flight. Rounding out ADIFOís unique design are a pair of lateral thrust nozzles located on each side of the disc, which allow the disk to rapidly push itself sideways in either direction, or quickly rotate while in flight.


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Old 05-06-2020, 12:54 AM   #168
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It would be pretty cool if we found some of these guys"

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Apparently there were some left on the moon.

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49265125
Every time I look at one of those I'm still amazed, they look like their made out of fabric and plastic but are actually real and alive
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Old 05-06-2020, 01:07 AM   #169
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Yeah Sean Carroll had a guy on his Mindscape podcast recently that talked about life elsewhere in the solar system that was super interesting and they talk about this briefly.

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com...-solar-system/

Itís hard doing science when you only have one data point, especially when that data point is subject to an enormous selection bias. Thatís the situation faced by people studying the nature and prevalence of life in the universe. The only biosphere we know about is our own, and our knowing anything at all is predicated on its existence, so itís unclear how much it can teach us about the bigger picture. Thatís why itís so important to search for life elsewhere. Todayís guest is Kevin Hand, a planetary scientist and astrobiologist who knows as much as anyone about the prospects for finding life right in our planetary backyard, on moons and planets in the Solar System. We talk about how life comes to be, and reasons why it might be lurking on Europa, Titan, or elsewhere.
I wonder about science a bit. Only in terms of stifling of creativity. Hear me out, because Iím not sure there is a solution.

-Human perceptions are inherently flawed.
-So we create a system to remove these shortcomings and biases in a rigorous, controlled methodology which is science. Good old evidence based, fact based science.
-The self-imposed and strict orthodoxy of rigorous critical thinking and suspicion of new theories or ideas is what makes science special, but also what holds it back.

That high bar we have created- to birth and foster trust in discovery and science, is exactly the same logic and methodology that hold us back from accelerating discovery and thus the conundrum. There may not be a resolution to solving challenges with the inevitable intersection between human nature and idea. We NEED.to know more and act on it for human survival, but we need the best information and processes available to us which is science. Our resource is time, but thereís not enough of it, which suggests our religious bias to science may (probably) need to be eased for human survival and longevity. But the nature of our species condemns this. Thus are we destined to doom anyway?

Random musings. Carry on.
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And Mars is close enough that you can't discount that it's just a migrant from Earth. Life on a moon around a gas giant would be more convincing of a separate incident of abiogenesis
There is a plausible theory too that life started on Mars, and migrated here.
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US Senate intelligence committee is asking for a report

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...report-on-ufos

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1. A detailed analysis of unidentified aerial phenomena data and intelligence reporting collected or held by the Office of Naval Intelligence, including data and intelligence reporting held by the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force;

2. A detailed analysis of unidentified phenomena data collected by:
a. geospatial intelligence;
b. signals intelligence;
c. human intelligence; and
d. measurement and signals intelligence;

3. A detailed analysis of data of the FBI, which was derived from investigations of intrusions of unidentified aerial phenomena data over restricted United States airspace;

4. A detailed description of an interagency process for ensuring timely data collection and centralized analysis of all unidentified aerial phenomena reporting for the Federal Government, regardless of which service or agency acquired the information;

5. Identification of an official accountable for the process described in paragraph 4;

6. Identification of potential aerospace or other threats posed by the unidentified aerial phenomena to national security, and an assessment of whether this unidentified aerial phenomena activity may be attributed to one or more foreign adversaries;

7. Identification of any incidents or patterns that indicate a potential adversary may have achieved breakthrough aerospace capabilities that could put United States strategic or conventional forces at risk; and

8. Recommendations regarding increased collection of data, enhanced research and development, and additional funding and other resources.
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There is a plausible theory too that life started on Mars, and migrated here.

*hits blunt" let me tell you about the annunaki and planet X....
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Sometimes I see her sitting on the rooftop
Perched in a lawnchair and staring into the sky

I know that somewhere in some faraway galaxy
That some gray men with telescopes are gazing right into her eyes

She tells the same old story to everyone that she knows
She's just sitting in her room reading books about UFOs
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