View Poll Results: Pick the best general manager from the following list
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Doug Risebrough
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4.76% |
Craig Button
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4.76% |
Jay Feaster
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42 |
33.33% |
Brian Burke
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72 |
57.14% |
07-11-2020, 10:05 AM
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#1
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Calgary Flames General Manager Ranking - #5
1. Cliff Fletcher
2. Brad Treliving
3. Al Coates
4. Darryl Sutter
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07-11-2020, 10:12 AM
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#3
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Burke for me. He took us back to a professional level. We were a pretty big laughing stock under Feaster. No more “Best player in the draft Jankowski” or “best player or goalie not in he NhL” or trades for Freddie Modin.
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07-11-2020, 10:36 AM
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#4
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Rocky Mt House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
1. Cliff Fletcher
2. Brad Treliving
3. Al Coates
4. Darryl Sutter
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I suspect that if a runoff vote on round 3 were held Sutter may come out on top of the voting over Coates. Basically a tie.
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07-11-2020, 10:52 AM
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#5
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First Line Centre
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Tough one. Burke’s body of work as a GM here so limited.
Pluses.
Dismissed Weisbrod who was the “brains” behind feaster
Salvaged a second round pick from horribad Bouwmeester deal (Berra trade)
Good return for Stempniak at 2014 deadline
Minus
Got nothing for Cammalleri when we needed to acquire assets
Given who he’s up against, have to go with him despite limited body of work
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07-11-2020, 10:58 AM
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#6
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Original FFIV
Tough one. Burke’s body of work as a GM here so limited.
Pluses.
Dismissed Weisbrod who was the “brains” behind feaster
Salvaged a second round pick from horribad Bouwmeester deal (Berra trade)
Good return for Stempniak at 2014 deadline
Minus
Got nothing for Cammalleri when we needed to acquire assets
Given who he’s up against, have to go with him despite limited body of work
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Yeah, I haven't voted yet because I am having a difficult time sorting out the pros and cons with Burke. Another one that shouldn't be overlooked is the 2014 NHL Draft, where after Sam Bennett the Flames made a string of terrible selections including Hunter Smith in the second round. That draft had Burke's fingerprints all over it.
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07-11-2020, 11:00 AM
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#7
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary
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Burke then Feaster
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07-11-2020, 11:15 AM
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#8
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yrebmi
I suspect that if a runoff vote on round 3 were held Sutter may come out on top of the voting over Coates. Basically a tie.
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Why?
Pretty safe to assume those who didnt vote for either would split their votes for one or the other somewhat equally.
But call it a tie either way....it was that close.
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07-11-2020, 11:23 AM
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#9
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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Brian Burke I guess. Had a bad draft but made some nice moves. Basically getting my vote simply because he's not Feaster, Button or Risebrough
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07-11-2020, 12:18 PM
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#10
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yrebmi
I suspect that if a runoff vote on round 3 were held Sutter may come out on top of the voting over Coates. Basically a tie.
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When you look at that vote (as someone said) 95% were already voting for the two of them with Coates up. I don't think the 5% would be enough to close the gap if you did a run off.
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07-11-2020, 01:12 PM
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#11
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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-Burke failed to trade Cammalleri, who was the Flames' leading scorer. Stempniak, the other leader scorer, was basically traded for Bollig (partially Treliving).
-Accepted a generous offer on Reto Berra
-Had a bad draft (only partial blame)
He couldn't have been much worse, really
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07-11-2020, 01:12 PM
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#12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
Burke failed to trade Cammalleri, who was the Flames' leading scorer.
Accepted a generous offer on Reto Berra.
Had a bad draft.
He couldn't have been much worse, really
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Somehow, the other guys found a way
He did hire the legendary Brad Treliving as well
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07-11-2020, 01:18 PM
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#13
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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We are at the stage where it's more about picking the best of a bad lot. I went with Feaster. He had the task of taking things in a totally different direction from Sutter letting the scouts do their jobs and stocking the cupboards for the beginning of what became a somewhat successful rebuild. I didn't agree with the Hartley hire but he was responsible for maybe the most entertaining Flames season since 2004 and that's worth something when you consider the Flames have been perennial underachievers/chokers for most of the last 30 years. He can thank the Rangers for taking the bullet for the horribile Richards contract offer. That could have set this organization back big time but it didn't. The ROR offersheet could have also been a debacle due to the team maybe not reading enough CBA fine print but in hindsight if the Avs decide not to match you can make a case the ROR is a better overall player than Monahan as his grit and faceoff ability may have brought more success in the postseason. IMO his biggest undoing may have been the hiring of Weisbrod. The Flames 2011 draft when Feaster leaned on Button and his staff was probably one of the best drafts in Flames history and the following two drafts with Weisbrod's influence were largely trash as all they have to show for them is Monahan and Jankowski. Also he was part of that smartest man in the room aura that was rubbing other GM's the wrong way. The fact that Burke didn't even know what he did was telling. So at the end of the day he did take the franchise into the direction of the needed rebuild even if there were plenty of mistakes. Luck was involved but at the end of the day he's not responsible for the worst moves in Franchise history as that those go to Risebrough (Gilmour trade), Sutter (Phaneuf trade), Treliving (Brouwer, Neal, Lucic).
I like Burke but I just think the sample size is too small as he was brought in to provide his opinion on the Feaster regime and did that by recommending they be removed and brought in his own guy who's been a mixed bag. Also the 2014 draft he oversaw was arguably one of the worst in Flames history.
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07-11-2020, 01:42 PM
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#14
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMike
Burke for me. He took us back to a professional level. We were a pretty big laughing stock under Feaster. No more “Best player in the draft Jankowski” or “best player or goalie not in he NhL” or trades for Freddie Modin.
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Yeah, instead he would hold on to expiring contracts "on principle" to show the Flames wouldn't be pushed around, then draft no talent coke machines because of how he played the game. Burke had his moments, but he did nothing to make this team better in any shape or fashion. In fact, he used people in the organization as scapegoats for lack of success. Never liked those individuals in management and could see through their BS. I liked that he was willing to stand up for the team and be public about concerns, but as far as running the team worth a damn he was inconsequential. Burke did nothing to make the team better. Feaster did leave the tea better than what he was left with.
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07-11-2020, 02:27 PM
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#15
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Franchise Player
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Went with Burke, just mainly because some of Feaster’s gaffes were huge. Burke didn’t really have a huge body of work at the helm though, but he did bring in Treliving, so that does count for something.
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07-11-2020, 05:16 PM
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#16
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
Hold your nose, put on a blindfold and push a button
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You voted for Button?
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07-11-2020, 06:10 PM
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#17
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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Feaster because he drafted Johnny
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07-11-2020, 06:16 PM
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#18
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Franchise Player
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I can’t bring myself to vote for any of these guys. Burke was to short of tenure. His 1 draft was horrid . The other 3 were incompetent and I rather forget they are part of flames history.
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07-12-2020, 06:13 AM
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#20
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Rocky Mt House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
When you look at that vote (as someone said) 95% were already voting for the two of them with Coates up. I don't think the 5% would be enough to close the gap if you did a run off.
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You are probably right. When I commented there was only a 4 vote separating - or 3 if you count Zukes posting that he misvoted.
Meh - its GM 3rd place. Thanks for giving us hockey topics while we all wait for August.
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