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View Poll Results: Pick the best general manager from the following list
Doug Risebrough 6 4.76%
Craig Button 6 4.76%
Jay Feaster 42 33.33%
Brian Burke 72 57.14%
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Old 07-11-2020, 10:05 AM   #1
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1. Cliff Fletcher
2. Brad Treliving
3. Al Coates
4. Darryl Sutter
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Old 07-11-2020, 10:08 AM   #2
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Old 07-11-2020, 10:12 AM   #3
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Burke for me. He took us back to a professional level. We were a pretty big laughing stock under Feaster. No more “Best player in the draft Jankowski” or “best player or goalie not in he NhL” or trades for Freddie Modin.
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1. Cliff Fletcher
2. Brad Treliving
3. Al Coates
4. Darryl Sutter


I suspect that if a runoff vote on round 3 were held Sutter may come out on top of the voting over Coates. Basically a tie.
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Old 07-11-2020, 10:52 AM   #5
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Tough one. Burke’s body of work as a GM here so limited.

Pluses.

Dismissed Weisbrod who was the “brains” behind feaster
Salvaged a second round pick from horribad Bouwmeester deal (Berra trade)
Good return for Stempniak at 2014 deadline

Minus

Got nothing for Cammalleri when we needed to acquire assets

Given who he’s up against, have to go with him despite limited body of work
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Tough one. Burke’s body of work as a GM here so limited.

Pluses.

Dismissed Weisbrod who was the “brains” behind feaster
Salvaged a second round pick from horribad Bouwmeester deal (Berra trade)
Good return for Stempniak at 2014 deadline

Minus

Got nothing for Cammalleri when we needed to acquire assets

Given who he’s up against, have to go with him despite limited body of work
Yeah, I haven't voted yet because I am having a difficult time sorting out the pros and cons with Burke. Another one that shouldn't be overlooked is the 2014 NHL Draft, where after Sam Bennett the Flames made a string of terrible selections including Hunter Smith in the second round. That draft had Burke's fingerprints all over it.
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Burke then Feaster
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I suspect that if a runoff vote on round 3 were held Sutter may come out on top of the voting over Coates. Basically a tie.
Why?

Pretty safe to assume those who didnt vote for either would split their votes for one or the other somewhat equally.

But call it a tie either way....it was that close.
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Old 07-11-2020, 11:23 AM   #9
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Brian Burke I guess. Had a bad draft but made some nice moves. Basically getting my vote simply because he's not Feaster, Button or Risebrough
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I suspect that if a runoff vote on round 3 were held Sutter may come out on top of the voting over Coates. Basically a tie.
When you look at that vote (as someone said) 95% were already voting for the two of them with Coates up. I don't think the 5% would be enough to close the gap if you did a run off.
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-Burke failed to trade Cammalleri, who was the Flames' leading scorer. Stempniak, the other leader scorer, was basically traded for Bollig (partially Treliving).
-Accepted a generous offer on Reto Berra
-Had a bad draft (only partial blame)

He couldn't have been much worse, really
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Burke failed to trade Cammalleri, who was the Flames' leading scorer.
Accepted a generous offer on Reto Berra.
Had a bad draft.

He couldn't have been much worse, really

Somehow, the other guys found a way

He did hire the legendary Brad Treliving as well
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We are at the stage where it's more about picking the best of a bad lot. I went with Feaster. He had the task of taking things in a totally different direction from Sutter letting the scouts do their jobs and stocking the cupboards for the beginning of what became a somewhat successful rebuild. I didn't agree with the Hartley hire but he was responsible for maybe the most entertaining Flames season since 2004 and that's worth something when you consider the Flames have been perennial underachievers/chokers for most of the last 30 years. He can thank the Rangers for taking the bullet for the horribile Richards contract offer. That could have set this organization back big time but it didn't. The ROR offersheet could have also been a debacle due to the team maybe not reading enough CBA fine print but in hindsight if the Avs decide not to match you can make a case the ROR is a better overall player than Monahan as his grit and faceoff ability may have brought more success in the postseason. IMO his biggest undoing may have been the hiring of Weisbrod. The Flames 2011 draft when Feaster leaned on Button and his staff was probably one of the best drafts in Flames history and the following two drafts with Weisbrod's influence were largely trash as all they have to show for them is Monahan and Jankowski. Also he was part of that smartest man in the room aura that was rubbing other GM's the wrong way. The fact that Burke didn't even know what he did was telling. So at the end of the day he did take the franchise into the direction of the needed rebuild even if there were plenty of mistakes. Luck was involved but at the end of the day he's not responsible for the worst moves in Franchise history as that those go to Risebrough (Gilmour trade), Sutter (Phaneuf trade), Treliving (Brouwer, Neal, Lucic).

I like Burke but I just think the sample size is too small as he was brought in to provide his opinion on the Feaster regime and did that by recommending they be removed and brought in his own guy who's been a mixed bag. Also the 2014 draft he oversaw was arguably one of the worst in Flames history.
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Burke for me. He took us back to a professional level. We were a pretty big laughing stock under Feaster. No more “Best player in the draft Jankowski” or “best player or goalie not in he NhL” or trades for Freddie Modin.
Yeah, instead he would hold on to expiring contracts "on principle" to show the Flames wouldn't be pushed around, then draft no talent coke machines because of how he played the game. Burke had his moments, but he did nothing to make this team better in any shape or fashion. In fact, he used people in the organization as scapegoats for lack of success. Never liked those individuals in management and could see through their BS. I liked that he was willing to stand up for the team and be public about concerns, but as far as running the team worth a damn he was inconsequential. Burke did nothing to make the team better. Feaster did leave the tea better than what he was left with.
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Went with Burke, just mainly because some of Feaster’s gaffes were huge. Burke didn’t really have a huge body of work at the helm though, but he did bring in Treliving, so that does count for something.
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Feaster because he drafted Johnny
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I can’t bring myself to vote for any of these guys. Burke was to short of tenure. His 1 draft was horrid . The other 3 were incompetent and I rather forget they are part of flames history.
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Wonder what would if you redo the poll with ‘none of the above’ as an option
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When you look at that vote (as someone said) 95% were already voting for the two of them with Coates up. I don't think the 5% would be enough to close the gap if you did a run off.
You are probably right. When I commented there was only a 4 vote separating - or 3 if you count Zukes posting that he misvoted.
Meh - its GM 3rd place. Thanks for giving us hockey topics while we all wait for August.
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