[PGT] Flames 0 Wild 3

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

NHL mandated loss, felt like one of those NBA games where they rested all the stars. Outside of Tkachuk, Lindholm and Gio, Flames don’t have a lot of guys that step up when the going gets tough...

I disagree. I said it before and I will say it again. Giordano has played like trash for most of this season.

[AustinL_NHL]

The Flames have great talent on their team, so they could still easily grab a Playoff spot despite this God awful 5v5 play, but based on their metrics, their 1-3-1 record in their last 5 games is much more indicative of their play than their 7 game win streak when Ward first took over.

This feels like a combination of Gulutzan and Hartley.

Gulutzan hockey was just as boring as what we're watching right now, but at least the Flames generally outplayed their opponents during Gulutzan's final year but were killed by puck luck, which corrected itself in a massive way the following year under Peters.

But statistically, this is much closer to the Hartley era. Only difference is Hartley coached a team with no talent to an unsustainable season and a second round appearance before their unsustainable play inevitably caught up to them the following season.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Holy overreaction Batman. A split on 2 games within 20 hours isn’t the end of the world. I don’t like the amount of shutouts this year either, but at the end of the day, they’re still in a playoff spot and are 8-3-1 over their last 12. Beat Edmonton on Friday and tonight’s game is forgiven.

This is why the Flames have been mediocre for decades and fans like you continue to eat it up. Do you forget that the Flames were on a 6 game losing streak just a few weeks ago? Why not add that to the record instead of cherry picking?

Or are you just happy the Flames crawl and scratch to the plauoffs? How about actually being a fricken contender for once? (Before you go on about last year, they sucked #### after the allstar break.. which continued in the playoffs)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

The Flames have great talent on their team, so they could still easily grab a Playoff spot despite this God awful 5v5 play, but based on their metrics, their 1-3-1 record in their last 5 games is much more indicative of their play than their 7 game win streak when Ward first took over.

This feels like a combination of Gulutzan and Hartley.

Gulutzan hockey was just as boring as what we're watching right now, but at least the Flames generally outplayed their opponents during Gulutzan's final year but were killed by puck luck, which corrected itself in a massive way the following year under Peters.

But statistically, this is much closer to the Hartley era. Only difference is Hartley coached a team with no talent to an unsustainable season and a second round appearance before their unsustainable play inevitably caught up to them the following season.

8-3-1 using real stats that actually matter...so far so good for Ward

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

Somewhat an expected outcome given the short turnaround.

I would love a league explanation on the non call where Johny was tripped and it should have been a 5-3. Cassies logic made absolutely no sense at all with "well maybe the ref thought Talbot had got in the way of the wild player".

Very well could have been a turning point in the game for the flames, was once again watched by the official so no excuse to "miss it" and was as black and white of a trip as it gets.

I swear I heard “2 penalties” yelled out after Gaudreau fell. Seems the refs changed their minds. I mean you can’t give a team a full 2:00 five on three, regardless of how egregious the 2nd penalty was. The constantly changing standard for penalties is ridiculous. Just call them as you see them, zebras.

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I disagree. I said it before and I will say it again. Giordano has played like trash for most of this season.

His play has dipped for sure, but to question his level of competitiveness is a joke.

[Inferno]

A team can be tired and still put in a good effort and just run out of gas. I didn't see that today.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by keenan87

This is why the Flames have been mediocre for decades and fans like you continue to eat it up. Do you forget that the Flames were on a 6 game losing streak just a few weeks ago? Why not add that to the record instead of cherry picking?

Have a drink man, you’re wound awfully tight. Seems like you expect them to go 82-0 and after any bad game the team should be blown up.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by keenan87

This is why the Flames have been mediocre for decades and fans like you continue to eat it up. Do you forget that the Flames were on a 6 game losing streak just a few weeks ago? Why not add that to the record instead of cherry picking?

Fans like you freak out after every loss...teams lose games.

Season as a whole hasn't been near good enough but the last 14 or so games have been really good for the most part.

And FYI what fans think has no effect on how the team plays

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by dino7c

8-3-1 using real stats that actually matter...so far so good for Ward

Like I said, this is similar to the Hartley era so far where the Flames' record and second round appearance was not nearly indicative of their play, and they inevitable crashed the following season.

Only difference is Hartley had no talent to work with, whereas Ward has a lot of talent to work with. It's great they're 8-3-1 under Ward, but it's also completely unsustainable if their play 5v5 continues, as shown by their 1-3-1 record their last 5 games.

Luckily there's still half a season to hopefully correct whatever this mess is that we're seeing 5v5 and get a good solid system in place before the Playoffs, if we're lucky enough to make it there.

[old-fart]

Pathetic effort. Predictable result. Everytime the Flames have a chance to pass the Coilers they crap the bed.

Feel bad for Talbot. He was good, but pretty much everyone else was crap.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Fans like you freak out after every loss...teams lose games.

Season as a whole hasn't been near good enough but the last 14 or so games have been really good for the most part.

And FYI what fans think has no effect on how the team playa

Getting shutout 5 times in the past 18 games is not "really good".

[Toonage]

Lol..team sucks less than 24 hours after shelling a club in a building they have a tough time in.

Sure.

This was disappointing but also totally forgivable.

None the less, Merry Xmas CP!

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Before the puck dropped, nobody was complaining about the back to back.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Before the puck dropped, nobody was complaining about the back to back.

not true - lots of people complained - its not an excuse but it is a disadvantage to the team having that schedule

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Burner

not true - lots of people complained - its not an excuse but it is a disadvantage to the team having that schedule

I am sorry but that is not a winning mentality. Every team gets advantages and disadvantages.. gotta play through it.

Personally, there are some days when I work 18 hours.. and I do that a few days in a row. If I make a mistake, my boss doesn't just give me a free pass.

[Jore]

Originally Posted by dino7c

8-3-1 using real stats that actually matter...so far so good for Ward

Pretty much every team in the league will have a 8-3-1 run over 82 games. The whole point of looking at other stats is to make better guesses as to whether the team will maintain that form or not. I’m still ambivalent about ward but the underlying stats are clear. Ignoring them isn’t going to make them or their predictive qualities go away

[Dragomir]

Originally Posted by skcli

Playing B2B is a reason not not an excuse. Remember these players are professionals training all summers for fitness. Completely disappearing after a good game is inexcusable. Not only they cannot generate scoring chances but also they can hardly make a pass. I say this team is as bad as the Oilers except our goal tenders are better.

Look at the distance between the two cities on this back to back.... It’s one thing to play Philly and then Pittsburgh the next day but Dallas to Minny in less than a day is borderline inhuman.

[DazzlinDino]

Guys were probably tired after the B2B they played hard against Dallas. Looked to me like they were out of gas.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I am sorry but that is not a winning mentality. Every team gets advantages and disadvantages.. gotta play through it.



Personally, there are some days when I work 18 hours.. and I do that a few days in a row. If I make a mistake, my boss doesn't just give me a free pass.

What kind of job do you have where you have to be 100% error proof all the time? Even doctors make mistakes from time to time.

It’s almost as if NHL teams go through peaks and valleys throughout the season and have good stretches followed by bad ones.