Ongoing thread for Neal/Lucic discussion

[MRCboicgy]

Can we get back on topic and stop with the childishness?

[dammage79]

Im still sour. The other moves tree makes this offseason are going to be very important.

And after letting it Marinate, still not a fan. Still shocked he'd do this and further more Susan, I think he smokes Marijuana cigarettes.....REEFERS!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by getbak

If CapFriendly has the clause information correct, it's a NMC for the entire duration of the contract, but a limited no-trade for the final two seasons.

This is similar to the clause Phaneuf had on his contract, and we know that he had protection from the expansion draft.

Unless CapFriendly is incorrect, Lucic will either be required to be protected in the expansion draft, or he will need to waive the NMC to be exposed.

Is there any time that he can be bought out prior to the expansion drafting?

Assuming of course they don't buy him out before this season begins of course, because of course that would never happen.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Even assuming Lucic waives his NMC, the Flames are still going to expose some good players.

Protecting Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, Dube, Bennett, Mangiapane, Tkachuk, Valimaki, Andersson, Hanifin, and Rittich leaves Kylington, Backlund, Giordano, and Parsons exposed.

Yeah, in the grand scheme of things, I'm still most-worried about losing one of the good young d-men (probably Kylington) more than any of the forwards. That is true whether Lucic is protected or not.

[Jason14h]

There is zero chance we have to protect Lucic. Can this discussion stop!

[trublmaker]

I just saw this news and all I can say is WTF

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is there any time that he can be bought out prior to the expansion drafting?

Assuming of course they don't buy him out before this season begins of course, because of course that would never happen.

Sure, but it’ll cost you the entirety of his cap hit.

Originally Posted by Jason14h

There is zero chance we have to protect Lucic. Can this discussion stop!

They do. It’s written in his contract.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Even assuming Lucic waives his NMC, the Flames are still going to expose some good players.

Protecting Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, Dube, Bennett, Mangiapane, Tkachuk, Valimaki, Andersson, Hanifin, and Rittich leaves Kylington, Backlund, Giordano, and Parsons exposed.

The fact that we have many good players exposed is good thing. It means we have a good roster AND at the end of the day, Seattle can only take one player.

We were in great position in the Vegas draft only because we had a pretty bad roster, and it showed in the season we had after.

For that reason, I'm not too worried about who we have to expose or protect in the expansion draft. Just build the best team possible.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is there any time that he can be bought out prior to the expansion drafting?

Assuming of course they don't buy him out before this season begins of course, because of course that would never happen.

They can't buy him out this summer, so you're correct that would never happen. Only players who were on your roster at the most-recent trade deadline can be bought out during the second buyout window.

There will be two more buyout periods before the expansion draft (June 2020 and June 2021), but as has been mentioned many times before, Lucic's contract is effectively buyout-proof.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Love

might be done following the team in any capacity. this franchise will never win in our lifetimes, hockey is a dying boomer sport and i didn't even care enough to tune in for any of the playoff games and that was probably the best the team will perform for the next 25 years because we know how it goes on around here.

godspeed guys. hope the lottery gods do you right next season.

[btimbit]

With this retention, the Oilers now have $4,883,333‬ in dead cap space with buyouts and retention.

That's more than Elias Lindholm gets paid

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yeah, in the grand scheme of things, I'm still most-worried about losing one of the good young d-men (probably Kylington) more than any of the forwards. That is true whether Lucic is protected or not.

We all know how Ron Francis emphasizes acquiring good, young defencemen.

[wired]

Ok, if the deal is done, then fans like us have jack to say about it.
Glass half full from me.
Maybe, just maybe, Lucic has something to prove, and turns his game around.
I am hoping this turns out better than when Neal was signed, but time will tell.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I could almost guarantee that not having any muscle in our lineup was a huge factor. Basically if neither player brings anything, at least Lucic can fight. But holy

This trade would have been refused on NHL19 and soured the GM relationship for life if the Oilers attempted it.

Decided to test this. Franchise mode, latest roster update April 23, 2019, hard trade difficulty. Neither side wanted to make this deal. Calgary wouldn't make the deal even with a guaranteed 2020 3rd LOL.

Spoiler!

Spoiler!

Spoiler!

Spoiler!

[PaperBagger'14]

This is what happens when an untradeable dunce meets an immovable plug.

[bubbsy]

Just read the conditions. What a dumb trade all around by treliving.

Picking up one of the worst contracts in the league is a brave move, unfortunately, it's likely the beginning of the end for the treliving era if this team has another disappointing year/playoffs.

[bob-loblaw]

I’m fine with this.

We finished first in the west in spite of Neal, and when we needed him to step it up in th playoffs he was worse than he was in the regular season.

I don’t think Lucic will have a problem having better production than Neal with better 3rd/4th line teammates. Plus his give a cr@p meter is a lot higher than Neal so that will hopefully give guys like Jankowski a push.

The next time we play the Oilers and Kassian is running away, or Kadri is turtling with on the Avs everyone with be pretty happy.

Don’t forget that getting rid of Neal’s contract was always going to cost us something. If he could have performed like we thought he could have then this trade wouldn’t have happened. Both teams were trading from weakness. If Neal was a problem in our room I can’t see him having a better attitude in Edmonton.

[Traditional_Ale]

I love this trade. I've never had a problem with Looch, and I really, really despised James Neal. He has such a smug, arrogant, punch-able face and he is terrible at the game of hockey.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Just read the conditions. What a dumb trade all around by treliving.

Picking up one of the worst contracts in the league is a brave move, unfortunately, it's likely the beginning of the end for the treliving era if this team has another disappointing year/playoffs.

does he have lottery protection?

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Love

might be done following the team in any capacity. this franchise will never win in our lifetimes, hockey is a dying boomer sport and i didn't even care enough to tune in for any of the playoff games and that was probably the best the team will perform for the next 25 years because we know how it goes on around here.

godspeed guys. hope the lottery gods do you right next season.

if you didn't care enough to watch your team in the playoffs after a dream season like we just saw, do me a favour and don't post a thousand times a year. (almost 19 hundred posts in a 2 year history)

i don't know what i'll ever do without your incessant "insights"