If someone tells me racism doesn't exist, I tell them to go to dinner with a black man/woman of the opposite sex, so people think you are on a date and if they do they will see it within minutes because there will be at least 5 people eye ####ing you for mixing the whites with the colors.
Two of my former girlfriends were black.
This is so true.
It's all so stupid.
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On the subject of Blackface, it really doesn't bother me when it's done in a TV show, movie, or play as long as it isn't being done to mock the race.
I'm glad you put this as I was going to ask you or Acey's opinion.
When I was 10, I wore blackface for halloween so I could be Grant Fuhr. I loved Grant Fuhr, as in I legit wanted to be Grant Fuhr. I've wondered a few times how that would be perceived now if the photos I know existing somewhere in my mom's albums were to 'get out.' I mean to ask my parents too what kind of thought or caution they had about me wearing it at the time.
I'm glad you put this as I was going to ask you or Acey's opinion.
I have the exact same take on that.
Also, I think the master/slave thing is dumb. In the case of flash or gyros it is a very descriptive method that outlines how they behave. If I was setting up my flashes and somebody yelled, "THAT FLASH IS A SLAVE LIKE YOU SHOULD BE" or something then... maybe? It's pretty much the same as playing the black national anthem and thinking that is somehow combating racism.
I'm glad you put this as I was going to ask you or Acey's opinion.
When I was 10, I wore blackface for halloween so I could be Grant Fuhr. I loved Grant Fuhr, as in I legit wanted to be Grant Fuhr. I've wondered a few times how that would be perceived now if the photos I know existing somewhere in my mom's albums were to 'get out.' I mean to ask my parents too what kind of thought or caution they had about me wearing it at the time.
Maybe it is because I am older, but I understand that times were different back then and things that are unacceptable now, were acceptable then, even if it wasn't racially sensitive. I also firmly believe there is a massive difference between something racially insensitive and that person being racist.
I went as Freddie Brathwaite for Halloween when I was younger and I used make-up to darken my skin tone to be closer to his as well. I'd also went as Lanny and lightened my skin. I wouldn't do either any more, but there is nothing wrong with a child wanting to look like someone they look up to.
As long as you have since learned why blackface is hurtful, then I hold no ill will. I also felt the same way regarding Trudeau when it came out.
When I first started posting here, it was just prior to the stuff with Aliu and Peters and that topic was the first I ever really got engaged in. I kept quiet about my race during that time because of some people may have reacted. I was one of the few not labeling Peters as a racist, and saying it was possibly just racially insensitive because I had a similar experience with my white father, a man who is the furthest thing from racist. When I brought home Snoop Dogg's first album and he threw it out the window of the moving car and said almost the exact same thing as Peters except worded slightly better and made it clear that his issue was with the repetition of the N word being used.
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Also, I think the master/slave thing is dumb. In the case of flash or gyros it is a very descriptive method that outlines how they behave. If I was setting up my flashes and somebody yelled, "THAT FLASH IS A SLAVE LIKE YOU SHOULD BE" or something then... maybe? It's pretty much the same as playing the black national anthem and thinking that is somehow combating racism.
I snorted when I read that fake quote in a Southern accent, wifey thinks I'm losing my mind.
Also in regards to master/slave origins, let's not forget that every race has been owned slaves, sold/traded/kidnapped slaves and also been slaves themselves. Using the term to refer to a bedroom or photography or computers doesn't make it inherently racist. The concept of slavery is actually more classist and often more religious in nature than racial, as even for American slavery much of it was rich black men selling poor black men to the white Europeans who moved them across the Atlantic. It evolved into a racial thing afterwards because all the North American slaves looked different than everyone else in the continent.
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I snorted when I read that fake quote in a Southern accent, wifey thinks I'm losing my mind.
Also in regards to master/slave origins, let's not forget that every race has been owned slaves, sold/traded/kidnapped slaves and also been slaves themselves. Using the term to refer to a bedroom or photography or computers doesn't make it inherently racist. The concept of slavery is actually more classist and often more religious in nature than racial, as even for American slavery much of it was rich black men selling poor black men to the white Europeans who moved them across the Atlantic. It evolved into a racial thing afterwards because all the North American slaves looked different than everyone else in the continent.
You are right, slavery used to be normal. The city of Prague was built by European slaves enslaved by other Europeans. Many other Europeans were sold down the Silk Road.
The idea of slavery in the North American context has become interchangeable with the Trans-Atlantic African slave trade. But at the same time the Trans-Atlantic slavery was going on, there were roughly a million European slaves in North Africa. There were European slaves there until as late as the 1830s.
American slavery was especially ugly though as it introduced the idea of chattel slavery and people being born into slavery, something that was not common at the time.
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I hadn't thought of that implication before and I guess it's a small and relatively insignificant example of how embedded racism can get.
My grandparents were British and when they would send me cards or gifts for holidays it was addressed to me as "Master (My Name)" I guess that's what they did when they considered you were too young to be a Mister. But it also is from "Master of the Estate".
I use to love it. Maybe I just secretly was pretending I was a Slave Owner?
But the term "Master Bedroom" is just a harmless call back to the "Master of the Estate" having the biggest room in the house. It doesn't have anything to do with racism.
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My grandparents were British and when they would send me cards or gifts for holidays it was addressed to me as "Master (My Name)" I guess that's what they did when they considered you were too young to be a Mister. But it also is from "Master of the Estate".
I use to love it. Maybe I just secretly was pretending I was a Slave Owner?
But the term "Master Bedroom" is just a harmless call back to the "Master of the Estate" having the biggest room in the house. It doesn't have anything to do with racism.
If it was the "Massa" Bedroom then we could argue it was racist. I'll see myself out now.
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I wouldn't call it stupid, but it really isn't going change systemic and institutional racism, which is what we are fighting for. This stuff needs to be done in conjunction with something that actually brings about change.
Like the NFL for example, instead of playing the "black national anthem", donate to underfunded schools.
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No reason to glorify these people, but also no reason to forget. They are in public parks for glorification. It’s not necessary or appropriate.
This isn’t going away. I can’t imagine the cost of replacing/repairing/cleaning/pulling out of a river/charging 100+ people/ court dates for all those people, repeat, repeat.
But the term "Master Bedroom" is just a harmless call back to the "Master of the Estate" having the biggest room in the house. It doesn't have anything to do with racism.
I don't want to argue about it but there are different definitions of the word master and the one that applies to you isn't necessarily the one that is universal. One definition is someone who masters a skill...a master electrician. A master's degree is bestowed upon someone who completes a certain degree. Another is one who owns slaves. Another is one who is master of the house, possibly your benevolent grandparents but equally applicable to a white male slave owner of a plantation. It's insignificant until it becomes one of a million other little things that seem harmless but have a tiny bit more going on than people know.
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I wouldn't call it stupid, but it really isn't going change systemic and institutional racism, which is what we are fighting for. This stuff needs to be done in conjunction with something that actually brings about change.
Like the NFL for example, instead of playing the "black national anthem", donate to underfunded schools.
I think you have to do it though. Those monuments were not intended to glorify southern pride, or bravery or heroism, or independence, or state rights, or anything of any historical importance. They were not intended to remind us of history so we don't repeat it. They were created to further a segregated agenda and Jim Crow. Leaving them up in the face of what's going on is just sort of weird.
It's pretty much the same as playing the black national anthem and thinking that is somehow combating racism.
