11-13-2015, 09:55 AM
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#81
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
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Makes sense. A refugee would be generally representative of the population as a whole. However, healthy males would be more likely to make a dangerous trip from a refugee camp and into Europe.
Anyone have any information on where Canada's refugees are coming from? Camps in Turkey, Jordan, etc..or border crossings in Europe?
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11-13-2015, 10:37 AM
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#82
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by cam_wmh
Source?
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Faux News
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11-13-2015, 11:37 AM
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#83
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Originally Posted by Harry Lime
I hate to be the guy to bring this up, or ask this question, but when Europe (as well as most domestic media outlets) have stopped referring to the Syrians as refugees long ago, why are we suddenly changing the language from 'migrant' once it is decided that we are bringing 25K into Canada?
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Umm, what? That's just blatantly not true, where did you even get such a nonsensical idea?
As for the rest of your post, every single one of those issues has been discussed to death in Europe, and answered. If you had actually been following it.
For example "avoiding conscription" is so blatantly deliberately obfuscating the issue that it's really just blatant racists who say it anymore. In fact it's only pretty much the worst racists in Europe who talk about it.
Forced conscription is the only type going around, and all the sides doing that are warcriminals such as Syrian dictatorship government or ISIS. Unless you're a Kurd there isn't really a reasonable side to fight on. This is pretty obvious if you follow the everyday news.
As for the problems with the Syrian refugees, there really is one type. For what ever reason it has brought out a mind-boggling amount of racism all over Europe. Adults spitting on brown children in public transportation and telling them they should have been aborted. Grown men threatening Red Cross volunteers collecting money for emergency efforts. Children in playgrounds being taught to call foreign lookin kids monkeys. Just in Finland( generally one of the most peaceful countries when it comes to political violence) has seen numerous attempts to burn down refugee centres. Nazis have thrown Molotov cocktails on people walking on the streets. Luckily those idiots are also generally too incompetent to light up anything other than their own pants, but if this keeps up they will learn.
None of this stuff is common in the sense that most people would do it, but it's common in the sense that you hear about it all the time if you know coloured people or people working with refugees. (Big differences between countries of course.)
Oh and it seems it's okay again to call yourself a national socialist again in conversation and be elected to parliament for example. You can also setup a "street patrol" as a Nazi and most people go " yeah what ever works". That's really scary.
The media is just feeding the frenzy. For example when Supo (Finnish "CIA") released a report on how the refugee situation has affected national safety, it was mostly about already increased right wing violence with the addition that there might "possibly be an increase in interest in extreme Islamism, and some people arriving with connections to islamists", every news source reported it the same.
"Supo: Refugees a safety risk!"
I'm mostly saying this because seriously THOSE are the problems you should expect. The refugees themselves... You might actually forget they're here. Some complain about the food in refugee centres.
Generally, it seems literal fascism is going to be a thing again, and the refugee thing is bringing it up. I have to say I did not see that coming.
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11-13-2015, 11:47 AM
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#84
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I haven't been following this as closely as you have, and only get the odd story on the radio. That's why I ask. I didn't know the reference had shifted from 'migrant' to 'refugee' in terms of terminology inside of Europe. I'm on this forum to take your word for it, because you have been following more closely.
Don't take all discussion that doesn't immediately support your point of view as racist or fascist.
Love, Harry Hitler.
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11-13-2015, 12:31 PM
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#85
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11-13-2015, 12:40 PM
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#86
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broke the first rule
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I have a condo that will be vacant/available for rent next month. Is there a best agency to connect with if they're really short on space?
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11-13-2015, 12:42 PM
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#87
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Harry Lime
I haven't been following this as closely as you have, and only get the odd story on the radio. That's why I ask. I didn't know the reference had shifted from 'migrant' to 'refugee' in terms of terminology inside of Europe. I'm on this forum to take your word for it, because you have been following more closely.
Don't take all discussion that doesn't immediately support your point of view as racist or fascist.
Love, Harry Hitler.
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"Refugees" would include all the displaced people from the Syrian war. The vast majority of whom remain in places like Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan.
"Migrants" are people migrating into Europe, many of who are Syrian refugees.
It's two separate concepts.
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11-13-2015, 12:54 PM
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#88
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Originally Posted by Ironhorse
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Google/English Translated from:
http://www.gelderlander.nl/regio/nij...oord-1.5331903
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"The group finds it too cold in the tents, among other things, complains about the food - for example, they do not know whether it contains pork - and find the amenities too skinny."
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Those are very valid complaints.
Refugees from much warmer regions being asked to live in tents in Northern Europe? Asking them to eat pork, when the majority are Muslim.
Do you realize how different that is to what they'll be provided here?
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11-13-2015, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by blankall
"Refugees" would include all the displaced people from the Syrian war. The vast majority of whom remain in places like Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan.
"Migrants" are people migrating into Europe, many of who are Syrian refugees.
It's two separate concepts.
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No its not.
Its political jargon used to downplay the situations these humans are in.
"Migrant is a word that strips suffering people of voice. Substituting refugee for it is – in the smallest way – an attempt to give some back."
http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/edito...082226309.html
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11-13-2015, 01:04 PM
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#90
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Originally Posted by cam_wmh
Google/English Translated from:
http://www.gelderlander.nl/regio/nij...oord-1.5331903
Those are very valid complaints.
Refugees from much warmer regions being asked to live in tents in Northern Europe? Asking them to eat pork, when the majority are Muslim.
Do you realize how different that is to what they'll be provided here? |
These are valid complaints, but what I wonder is: You've got a country that has just been inundated with a huge number of people beyond any reasonable normal capacity and they're trying to do the best they can. What if its pork or nothing?
I just look at it like: They're not screwing with you or anything, its just an unfortunate situation for all involved and everyone is just trying their best to get through.
I mean, they can not eat it, but there may not be a readily available replacement.
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11-13-2015, 01:06 PM
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#91
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In the Sin Bin
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Was the pork thing a tremendous oversight or is it really the only option for meat in large amounts on short notice?
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11-13-2015, 01:15 PM
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#92
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Ironhorse, can you address that? I imagine you're dutch/danish?
Nonetheless, it shouldn't be an issue here.
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11-13-2015, 01:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
Was the pork thing a tremendous oversight or is it really the only option for meat in large amounts on short notice?
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It must really be hell for them travelling up the Balkans where like 50% of the diet is pig meat in some form or another.
Another issue with some of the refugee groups is that they are just as fractioned as the civil war in Syria. There are reports of some refugees starting fights with other refugees for not being religiously observant enough.
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11-13-2015, 01:47 PM
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#94
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by takinghits
No its not.
Its political jargon used to downplay the situations these humans are in.
"Migrant is a word that strips suffering people of voice. Substituting refugee for it is – in the smallest way – an attempt to give some back."
http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/edito...082226309.html |
Not all migrants are refugees. I'm not trying to downplay the reasons they are migrating, but like I said, 2 different concepts.
Edit:Refugee is an actual designated status, as per the Geneva convention. Anyone can chose to migrate to another country, be they refugee or not.
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11-13-2015, 02:01 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
It must really be hell for them travelling up the Balkans where like 50% of the diet is pig meat in some form or another.
Another issue with some of the refugee groups is that they are just as fractioned as the civil war in Syria. There are reports of some refugees starting fights with other refugees for not being religiously observant enough.
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Can we not take any of these in please?
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11-13-2015, 02:09 PM
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#96
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Location: Calgary
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Up to 2,300 Syrian refugees expected in Calgary over the next six to eight weeks
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Originally Posted by cam_wmh
Ironhorse, can you address that? I imagine you're dutch/danish?
Nonetheless, it shouldn't be an issue here.
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Most of the gist of those articles consists of: we are too cold, the meals are the same every day, food is boring, the accommodations are not nice enough, the monetary incidental allowances ("walking around money") are not paid on time, I don't have enough privacy to have sex with my wife, we are not allowed to cook our own food, no phone cards, no televisions in our rooms.
The question on wether or not the food is Halal (just about all of it is, if not all) is only a small part of the complaints.
Last edited by Ironhorse; 11-13-2015 at 04:17 PM.
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11-13-2015, 04:03 PM
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Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Ironhorse
Most of the gist of those articles consists of: we are too cold, the meals are the same every day, food is boring, the accommodations are not nice enough, the monetary incidental allowances ("walking around money") are not paid on time, I don't have enough privacy to have sex with my wife. we are not allowed to cook our own food, no phone cards, no televisions in our rooms.
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Oh good, now we have refugees with an over-inflated sense of entitlement.
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11-13-2015, 04:07 PM
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#98
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Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful
Oh good, now we have refugees with an over-inflated sense of entitlement.
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Ah so they'll fit right in with the rest of the Canadian population then.
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11-15-2015, 12:21 PM
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#99
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I don't think it's right to let anybody in simply in the name of political correctness. Full checks and screenings just like anybody else who wants to enter our country should be mandatory. I'm not against letting refuggee's in, i'm against letting anybody who wants in just cause we want to be politically correct.
Had an interesting conversation. During world war 2 the british, french, polish, czeck's, russians (sort of), etc, all fought for their land and freedom they enjoy now and didn't seek asylum. Just wondering why the same isn't done among Syrians.
If there's a fire in a building and i had to get out i would go anywhere that safe. Most of these syrians are going to the land of greater prosperity. Bit strange.
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11-15-2015, 12:28 PM
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#100
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Originally Posted by stampsx2
I don't think it's right to let anybody in simply in the name of political correctness. Full checks and screenings just like anybody else who wants to enter our country should be mandatory. I'm not against letting refuggee's in, i'm against letting anybody who wants in just cause we want to be politically correct.
Had an interesting conversation. During world war 2 the british, french, polish, czeck's, russians (sort of), etc, all fought for their land and freedom they enjoy now and didn't seek asylum. Just wondering why the same isn't done among Syrians.
If there's a fire in a building and i had to get out i would go anywhere that safe. Most of these syrians are going to the land of greater prosperity. Bit strange.
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If you fled Syria with your family, wouldn't you want to give them the best possible opportunity for a good life? Isn't that in a Western country?
Plenty of Syrians are fighting IS, they've also been fighting the gov't who been killing them. So if IS rolled up into your town, you'd grab your gun and confront them, right?
I'm getting tired of this holyier than thou bull####.
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