I think Skinner is overpaid by about $3-4million AAV, while Lucic is overpaid by like $5 million. But at least they are both NHL players. I gotta go with Loui Erickson as worst contract.
Skinner is a guy who can score goals in the league, so is probably realistically a $5.5-6 million player. Quick maths: 29.38 goals/82 games
Skinner only outscored Lucic last year by a measly 3 points without providing any of the intangibles that Lucic does.
Yeah, it's only one season and Skinner is obviously more skilled, but I don't make that trade one for one.
I think Lucic is easily worth 2 to 2.5 in value. He is far from a liability.
Lucic might have had the worst contact three years ago but at this point he's not even closewith just three years left, there are many deals that are worse.
I would say Drew Doughty's contract is awfully close to being the worst. $11 million for a guy who was flat-out awful last year.
He clearly is. Just because there may be worse, doesn't mean Lucic and his contract aren't right up near the top.
Not int this thread, I guess, because OP asked for opinions on the currently active worst contracts. But yeah, DiPietro's contract is likely still one of the worst NHL contracts ever.
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Not int this thread, I guess, because OP asked for opinions on the currently active worst contracts. But yeah, DiPietro's contract is likely still one of the worst NHL contracts ever.
Kovalchuk's 15yr deal would give DiPietro a run just because that seems like a bonkers idea to commit that much money for that much term, but yeah, not the int of the thread.
Kovalchuk's 15yr deal would give DiPietro a run just because that seems like a bonkers idea to commit that much money for that much term, but yeah, not the int of the thread.
Well, that's arguable. Kovalchuk did play and did contribute albeit not at the level of his pay, which made his contract awful. His contract would be in the same rank as Luongo's, perhaps. DiPietro literally got paid obscene amount money for NOT playing.
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Well, that's arguable. Kovalchuk did play and did contribute albeit not at the level of his pay, which made his contract awful. His contract would be in the same rank as Luongo's, perhaps. DiPietro literally got paid obscene amount money for NOT playing.
yeah fair enough, I just always shake my head at signing a player for 15yrs.
He clearly is. Just because there may be worse, doesn't mean Lucic and his contract aren't right up near the top.
I don't know if he's even in the top 40, honestly. I went through every team in the league and I think you can make pretty concrete arguments about all of these being worse.
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Milan Lucic (CGY, age 32) — $5.25 million until 2023
vs.
Oliver Ekman-Larsson (ARI, age 29) — $8.25 million until 2027
Jeff Skinner (BUF, age 28) — $9 million until 2027
Kyle Okposo (BUF, age 32) — $6 million until 2023
Rasmus Ristolainen (BUF, age 26) — $5.4 million until 2022
Chris Tanev (CGY, age 31) — $4.5 million until 2024
Brady Skjei (CAR, age 26) — $5.25 million until 2024
Duncan Keith (CHI, age 37) — $5.54 million until 2023
Brent Seabrook (CHI, age 35) — $6.875 million until 2024
Jamie Benn (DAL, age 31) — $9.5 million until 2025
Frans Nielsen (DET, age 36) — $5.25 million until 2022
Sergei Bobrovsky (FLA, age 32) — $10 million until 2026
Keith Yandle (FLA, age 34) — $6.35 million until 2023
Drew Doughty (LA, age 31) — $11 million until 2027
Jonathan Quick (LA, age 34) — $5.8 million until 2023
Mats Zuccarello (MIN, age 33) — $6 million until 2024
Zach Parise (MIN, age 36) — $7.54 million until 2025
Josh Anderson (MTL, age 26) — $5.5 million until 2027
Shea Weber (MTL, age 35) — $7.86 million until 2026
Joel Edmundson (MTL, age 27) — $3.5 million until 2024
Carey Price (MTL, age 33) — $10.5 million until 2026
Ryan Johansen (NSH, age 28) — $8 million until 2025
P.K. Subban (NJ, age 31) — $9 million until 2022
Jean-Gabriel Pageau (NYI, age 28) — $5 million until 2026
Josh Bailey (NYI, age 31) — $5 million until 2024
Anders Lee (NYI, age 30) — $7 million until 2026
Andrew Ladd (NYI, age 35) — $5.5 million until 2023
Jacob Trouba (NYR, age 26) — $8 million until 2026
Nikita Zaitsev (OTT, age 29) — $4.5 million until 2024
Colin White (OTT, age 23) — $4.75 million until 2025
Jakub Voracek (PHI, age 31) — $8.25 million until 2024
Mike Matheson (PIT, age 26) — $4.88 million until 2026
Erik Karlsson (SJ, age 30) — $11.5 million until 2027
Marc-Edouard Vlasic (SJ, age 34) — $7 million until 2026
Brent Burns (SJ, age 35) — $8 million until 2025
Martin Jones (SJ, age 31) — $5.75 million until 2024
Justin Faulk (STL, age 29) — $6.5 million until 2027
Ryan McDonagh (TB, age 31) — $6.75 million until 2026
Tyler Myers (VAN, age 30) — $6 million until 2024
Jay Beagle (VAN, age 35) — $3 million until 2022
TJ Oshie (WSH, age 34) — $5.75 million until 2025
yeah fair enough, I just always shake my head at signing a player for 15yrs.
No argument there, for sure.
I always said that if the league had implemented one-year contracts for all players, we'd have the best possible hockey every season.
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I don't know if he's even in the top 40, honestly. I went through every team in the league and I think you can make pretty concrete arguments about all of these being worse.
Spoiler!
Milan Lucic (CGY, age 32) $5.25 million until 2023
vs.
Oliver Ekman-Larsson (ARI, age 29) $8.25 million until 2027
Jeff Skinner (BUF, age 28) $9 million until 2027
Kyle Okposo (BUF, age 32) $6 million until 2023
Rasmus Ristolainen (BUF, age 26) $5.4 million until 2022
Chris Tanev (CGY, age 31) $4.5 million until 2024
Brady Skjei (CAR, age 26) $5.25 million until 2024
Duncan Keith (CHI, age 37) $5.54 million until 2023
Brent Seabrook (CHI, age 35) $6.875 million until 2024
Jamie Benn (DAL, age 31) $9.5 million until 2025
Frans Nielsen (DET, age 36) $5.25 million until 2022
Sergei Bobrovsky (FLA, age 32) $10 million until 2026
Keith Yandle (FLA, age 34) $6.35 million until 2023
Drew Doughty (LA, age 31) $11 million until 2027
Jonathan Quick (LA, age 34) $5.8 million until 2023
Mats Zuccarello (MIN, age 33) $6 million until 2024
Zach Parise (MIN, age 36) $7.54 million until 2025
Josh Anderson (MTL, age 26) $5.5 million until 2027
Shea Weber (MTL, age 35) $7.86 million until 2026
Joel Edmundson (MTL, age 27) $3.5 million until 2024
Carey Price (MTL, age 33) $10.5 million until 2026
Ryan Johansen (NSH, age 28) $8 million until 2025
P.K. Subban (NJ, age 31) $9 million until 2022
Jean-Gabriel Pageau (NYI, age 28) $5 million until 2026
Josh Bailey (NYI, age 31) $5 million until 2024
Anders Lee (NYI, age 30) $7 million until 2026
Andrew Ladd (NYI, age 35) $5.5 million until 2023
Jacob Trouba (NYR, age 26) $8 million until 2026
Nikita Zaitsev (OTT, age 29) $4.5 million until 2024
Colin White (OTT, age 23) $4.75 million until 2025
Jakub Voracek (PHI, age 31) $8.25 million until 2024
Mike Matheson (PIT, age 26) $4.88 million until 2026
Erik Karlsson (SJ, age 30) $11.5 million until 2027
Marc-Edouard Vlasic (SJ, age 34) $7 million until 2026
Brent Burns (SJ, age 35) $8 million until 2025
Martin Jones (SJ, age 31) $5.75 million until 2024
Justin Faulk (STL, age 29) $6.5 million until 2027
Ryan McDonagh (TB, age 31) $6.75 million until 2026
Tyler Myers (VAN, age 30) $6 million until 2024
Jay Beagle (VAN, age 35) $3 million until 2022
TJ Oshie (WSH, age 34) $5.75 million until 2025
Lol. I mean it's great to list a bunch of contracts, but lets not pretend that Lucic can barely skate, can't be waived and can't be reasonably bought out.
He's up near the top of worst league contracts. Easily.
Lol. I mean it's great to list a bunch of contracts, but lets not pretend that Lucic can barely skate, can't be waived and can't be reasonably bought out.
He's up near the top of worst league contracts. Easily.
He skates just fine. He doesn't put up the points he used to but analytically speaking he's still a reasonable player. Your other points are true but by all measures Lucic is not dragging anyone down on the ice, he just gets paid too much. The same can not be said for some of these.
Lol. I mean it's great to list a bunch of contracts, but lets not pretend that Lucic can barely skate, can't be waived and can't be reasonably bought out.
He's up near the top of worst league contracts. Easily.
He can't skate but he's still a solid player. That's more than you can say for a lot of the players I listed — and, relatively speaking, his contract isn't very long at all.
It's much easier to deal with three years of Lucic at $5.25 than, say, six more years of Vlasic at $7 or Matheson at close to $5. Especially when Lucic provides many more positive impacts on play than those guys do.
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He can't skate but he's still a solid player. That's more than you can say for a lot of the players I listed and, relatively speaking, his contract isn't very long at all.
It's much easier to deal with three years of Lucic at $5.25 than, say, six more years of Vlasic at $7 or Matheson at close to $5. Especially when Lucic provides many more positive impacts on play than those guys do.
But he didnt do the ONE thing he should have and probably needed to do...which makes his contract just gross.
Kassian should have been rag-dolled by him....thats his job.
Lets be honest here...he isnt anything more than a situational, (best served with fewer minutes) player who is truly among the slowest skaters in the game and will only step up when it isnt a friend of his on the receiving end.
His contract may not be the "worst" in the league...but its way up there.
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He skates just fine. He doesn't put up the points he used to but analytically speaking he's still a reasonable player. Your other points are true but by all measures Lucic is not dragging anyone down on the ice, he just gets paid too much. The same can not be said for some of these.
I don't know if he's even in the top 40, honestly. I went through every team in the league and I think you can make pretty concrete arguments about all of these being worse.
Spoiler!
Milan Lucic (CGY, age 32) $5.25 million until 2023
vs.
Oliver Ekman-Larsson (ARI, age 29) $8.25 million until 2027
Jeff Skinner (BUF, age 28) $9 million until 2027
Kyle Okposo (BUF, age 32) $6 million until 2023
Rasmus Ristolainen (BUF, age 26) $5.4 million until 2022
Chris Tanev (CGY, age 31) $4.5 million until 2024
Brady Skjei (CAR, age 26) $5.25 million until 2024
Duncan Keith (CHI, age 37) $5.54 million until 2023
Brent Seabrook (CHI, age 35) $6.875 million until 2024
Jamie Benn (DAL, age 31) $9.5 million until 2025
Frans Nielsen (DET, age 36) $5.25 million until 2022
Sergei Bobrovsky (FLA, age 32) $10 million until 2026
Keith Yandle (FLA, age 34) $6.35 million until 2023
Drew Doughty (LA, age 31) $11 million until 2027
Jonathan Quick (LA, age 34) $5.8 million until 2023
Mats Zuccarello (MIN, age 33) $6 million until 2024
Zach Parise (MIN, age 36) $7.54 million until 2025
Josh Anderson (MTL, age 26) $5.5 million until 2027
Shea Weber (MTL, age 35) $7.86 million until 2026
Joel Edmundson (MTL, age 27) $3.5 million until 2024
Carey Price (MTL, age 33) $10.5 million until 2026
Ryan Johansen (NSH, age 28) $8 million until 2025
P.K. Subban (NJ, age 31) $9 million until 2022
Jean-Gabriel Pageau (NYI, age 28) $5 million until 2026
Josh Bailey (NYI, age 31) $5 million until 2024
Anders Lee (NYI, age 30) $7 million until 2026
Andrew Ladd (NYI, age 35) $5.5 million until 2023
Jacob Trouba (NYR, age 26) $8 million until 2026
Nikita Zaitsev (OTT, age 29) $4.5 million until 2024
Colin White (OTT, age 23) $4.75 million until 2025
Jakub Voracek (PHI, age 31) $8.25 million until 2024
Mike Matheson (PIT, age 26) $4.88 million until 2026
Erik Karlsson (SJ, age 30) $11.5 million until 2027
Marc-Edouard Vlasic (SJ, age 34) $7 million until 2026
Brent Burns (SJ, age 35) $8 million until 2025
Martin Jones (SJ, age 31) $5.75 million until 2024
Justin Faulk (STL, age 29) $6.5 million until 2027
Ryan McDonagh (TB, age 31) $6.75 million until 2026
Tyler Myers (VAN, age 30) $6 million until 2024
Jay Beagle (VAN, age 35) $3 million until 2022
TJ Oshie (WSH, age 34) $5.75 million until 2025
OEL, Ristolainen and Tanev are NOT worse than Lucic, come on.
I refused to go any further than that.
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Seriously, Tanev is either going to be top pair or 2nd pair, depending on how Ward runs the pairings. He is a great skater, a good passer, plays 20 minutes a game, and is currently the Flames' 3rd best defenseman (until Hanifin passes him and Valimaki gets the chance to prove otherwise).
Seriously, Tanev is either going to be top pair or 2nd pair, depending on how Ward runs the pairings. He is a great skater, a good passer, plays 20 minutes a game, and is currently the Flames' 3rd best defenseman (until Hanifin passes him and Valimaki gets the chance to prove otherwise).
And all that $750k/yr less than Lucic.
Some of your takes are seriously out there.
He played that much last year, too, fully healthy, and was genuinely not very good at all. Poor offensively, poor defensively. Do I think he could rebound? Sure. But he hasn't yet.
Lucic, on the other hand, has changed his game to the point where he's valuable as a defensive forward. Tanev is billed as a defensive defenseman but he made a guy like Quinn Hughes worse defensively when they were on the ice together.
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