2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sandman

C’mon man, he had 61 two years ago.....

When he was 20.

Exactly, when he was playing with Panarin...
Also, do any stats actually substantiate the two way play comments.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Exactly, when he was playing with Panarin...

Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and Lindholm are probably better offensively than the Bjorkstrand, Texier, and Atkinson. And Panarin has played better in NY than he did in Columbus.

I think Dubois can get 80 points. And unlike Monahan, he will be able to do it while being mean and by driving play.
I just doubt he ever hits the 100 point plateau. But not many do. If Dubois already had an 80 point season under his belt, he'd likely be too expensive to acquire at all.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Sandman

C’mon man, he had 61 two years ago.....

When he was 20.

Monahan had 62pts when he was 20 and over 30 goals which PLD hadn’t hit. As you are aware ToFan tried to minimize Monahans offensive ability because he plays with Gaudreau. It is only fair to say that PLD equally benefited by playing with a player who has proven to be even more dynamic and offensive than Gaudreau.

If PLD came to Calgary and was paired with Gaudreau I think he would do just as good and maybe a little better than Monahan?

[blender]

Originally Posted by Sandman

C’mon man, he had 61 two years ago.....

When he was 20.

Right. So don't get me wrong. Love Dubois. Would be a massive addition to the Flames. Probable that his ceiling is higher than what he has shown so far. I would still hesitate to trade Monahan for him mainly because adding Dubois and subtracting Monahan is a marginal offensive downgrade, with a 2-way upgrade. Basically I'm saying that the net effect wouldn't be enough for a team looking to get to the top.
Frankly I'd be more inclined to do Anderson or Valimaki or Hanifin + as the team would be dealing from a position of depth and the result would be a team with Dubois AND Monahan on the roster. There's a contender IMO.

[pokerNhockey]

I think if you took a 22 year old Monahan and put him beside Dubois today you would have very similar value. Where you run into the difference is that Monahan has developed further, and doesn't seem to have developed into an allstar Centre. Dubois still can, but he also could be that rare player who plateaued super early.

You do have to pay for that potential - which is where I think the Monahan + 1st probably makes a lot of sense. But you should not buy as if it is a certainty either - most top players don't take that step, such as Monahan. I think the morning show proposals only make sense if you think it is a near lock.

Assuming the Flames offer Monahan plus a 1st, I don't see a lot of other teams matching it with that type of trade. It comes down to whether the Jackets are looking to "today" or want to buy potential themselves. They might get someone who has more upside, but who carries more development risk, quantity vs quality, etc. Similar to how the Hall trade didn't happen because the NJD prefered a deal centered more around futures then the Flames offer.

Also worth noting: Colorado got what was expected to be a mid to late 1st round pick (which turned into the 4th overall) and a really good defensive prospect who had 5 NHL games to his name. Its a different trade after Ottawa collapsed.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Sandman

The argument above was that Mony plays with Gaudreau...

Monahan scored over 80-points with Gaudreau. Is Gaudreau as good as Panarin?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Well, is Mony a ppg player, or a 65 pt C? Looks more like the latter...

I think that is very much up for debate.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

PLD put up those 61pts with Panarin on his wing. He hasn’t hit 50 without him.

well okay, PLD has had one season with an elite winger. Monahan has had his entire career aside from one season with an elite winger....

Regardless, all things being equal if the Flames were to trade PLD for Monahan, I would bet PLD's numbers would climb while Monahan's would slide.

[TheSkinner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Monahan had 62pts when he was 20 and over 30 goals which PLD hadn’t hit. As you are aware ToFan tried to minimize Monahans offensive ability because he plays with Gaudreau. It is only fair to say that PLD equally benefited by playing with a player who has proven to be even more dynamic and offensive than Gaudreau.

If PLD came to Calgary and was paired with Gaudreau I think he would do just as good and maybe a little better than Monahan?

Interestingly in Monahan’s 20 year old season he also finished 20th in Selke voting getting 19 total votes... 2 less overall votes than Crosby. More votes than fellow draftee Barkov, more than a 22 year old Sean Couturier and more than a 22 yo Mark Stone. I think that was the same year that Darryl Sutter, while still coaching the Kings, made comments along the lines that Monahan was becoming one of the top centres in the Pacific division. Obviously, his overall game just never developed along that path.

Just goes to show that its tough to project these young players I guess.

[Sandman]

Why are we comparing Mony’s and PLD’s point totals? MacKinnon had 52pts in his 4th year in the league, and his career high was 63. You can’t necessarily look back on past numbers to predict a player’s exact future.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think that is very much up for debate.

He’s had one season of 82pts, the rest of his time in the league has been 62pts and under. His numbers go as Johnny goes.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Monahan scored over 80-points with Gaudreau. Is Gaudreau as good as Panarin?

Nobody said Johnny is as good as Panarin, but both are elite offensive players.

[MrMike]

Monahans a sniper, Gaudreau wouldn’t have had the point totals either without him. It works both ways.

Monahan is what he is, PLD has potential to be a more complete player. That’s what the + to the trade would be.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Monahans a sniper, Gaudreau wouldn’t have had the point totals either without him. It works both ways.

Monahan is what he is, PLD has potential to be a more complete player. That’s what the + to the trade would be.

The plus also could be the 1.4 mil in cap savings and an rfa at the end of his current contract. Imo you can't ignore that. Flames flip Monahan for Dubois it gives them options next off season again. A top 10 protected first might be worth it.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

The plus also could be the 1.4 mil in cap savings and an rfa at the end of his current contract. Imo you can't ignore that. Flames flip Monahan for Dubois it gives them options next off season again. A top 10 protected first might be worth it.

Plus there’s the age factor.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I like Monahan, but I do like PLD's age and RFA status after the 2 years are up. In 3 years we are looking at Monahan getting a raise. Maybe not by much (I am thinking around 8mish for his next contract), but I would much rather prefer having PLD if the opportunity arose. Plus, we do not know if Monahan wants to stay here or not. I know many are going to say he most likely will but I am pretty sure Isles fans thought the same thing with Tavares.

[transplant99]

Well the Lightning don't need to make a move now


Whew!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1349166201373663232

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I like Monahan, but I do like PLD's age and RFA status after the 2 years are up. In 3 years we are looking at Monahan getting a raise. Maybe not by much (I am thinking around 8mish for his next contract), but I would much rather prefer having PLD if the opportunity arose. Plus, we do not know if Monahan wants to stay here or not. I know many are going to say he most likely will but I am pretty sure Isles fans thought the same thing with Tavares.

Of all the players on the Flames. I feel Monahan is most married to this organization. He has been groomed since day #1 to be the next in line after Gio. This of course is my opinion and not based on anything but observation.

Can things change ? Obviously. Organizational failure can do that.

But of all the hockey player jargon ever being spoken about staying with the team. I believe Monny the most. He seems genuinely pissed most times the question even comes up.

Like Backlund and Gio, I think he bleeds Flames colors for life.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Of all the players on the Flames. I feel Monahan is most married to this organization. He has been groomed since day #1 to be the next in line after Gio. This of course is my opinion and not based on anything but observation.

Can things change ? Obviously. Organizational failure can do that.

But of all the hockey player jargon ever being spoken about staying with the team. I believe Monny the most. He seems genuinely pissed most times the question even comes up.

Like Backlund and Gio, I think he bleeds Flames colors for life.

Despite my comments you are exactly right. I DO genuinely like Mony.

[Kickazzflames]

What is up with Yandle?

https://www.tsn.ca/veteran-defencema...hers-1.1576644

"Yandle has fallen out of favour with the Florida Panthers," Seravalli said Tuesday on Insider Trading. "They’ve let it be known to him that he does not factor into their plans for this season. And I think in a perfect world for the Panthers, they would send Yandle to the taxi squad. But in this case, he holds the hammer with a full no-move clause and cannot be put on waivers without his permission.