09-22-2014, 08:18 AM
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#221
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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My favourite BigTuna argument was when I told him the maple leafs would miss the playoffs while they were in a playoff position. He did not see any way that was possible
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09-22-2014, 08:33 AM
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#222
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Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Flame Country
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
My favourite BigTuna argument was when I told him the maple leafs would miss the playoffs while they were in a playoff position. He did not see any way that was possible
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Likely BigTuna Response: "Mason Raymond was the main reason for the Maple Leafs missing the playoffs"
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09-22-2014, 08:41 AM
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#223
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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames
Likely BigTuna Response: "Mason Raymond was the main reason for the Maple Leafs missing the playoffs"
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Nope. It was Bernier's injury.
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09-22-2014, 08:42 AM
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#224
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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames
Good luck getting BigTuna to use actual facts to support his claims.
Our last discussion revolved around how terrible and over-payed Mason Raymond is now that he's not a Maple Leaf.
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LOL. What? I use facts more than anyone here.
And am I supposed to say Raymond was overpaid making 900K last season for the Leafs?
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09-22-2014, 08:43 AM
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#225
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
Nope. It was Bernier's injury.
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Haha. No, it's because Toronto is no good
Edit: Didn't you also say Reimer was a starter on almost any other team?
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09-22-2014, 08:44 AM
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#226
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
LOL. What? I use facts more than anyone here.
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Yes. "Facts" like:
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Originally Posted by BigTuna
Nylander was just ranked the 4th best prospect in the world.
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One wonders about how you manage to navigate reality.
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09-22-2014, 08:46 AM
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#227
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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I guess it depends on what you consider facts, I guess you got us there.
If we all tell you that the leafs are the best and the only reason they don't win the cup is because they don't have to and the winner of the cup is actually the second best team to the leafs, will you stop?
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09-22-2014, 08:49 AM
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#228
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Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Flame Country
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Haha. No, it's because Toronto is no good
Edit: Didn't you also say Reimer was a starter on almost any other team?
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This is one of the many facts that BigTuna will steer around and instead find something less concrete to argue about.
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09-22-2014, 08:56 AM
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#229
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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The Maple Leafs are a fantastic hockey club with the most dynamic forward group in the NHL and a solid, young defence core. Dion Phaneuf is a premier defenceman and Phil Kessel is among the league's elite. The Leafs won't only make the playoffs this season, they'll crush the competition all the way to the Stanley Cup and beyond.
This team is a powerhouse only matched by the awesomeness of the Winnipeg Jets. To be quite honest I'm very jealous of both teams.
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09-22-2014, 09:03 AM
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#230
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Yes. "Facts" like:
One wonders about how you manage to navigate reality.
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That was a fact.
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09-22-2014, 09:04 AM
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#231
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Haha. No, it's because Toronto is no good
Edit: Didn't you also say Reimer was a starter on almost any other team?
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Yet they were a playoff team before Bernier got injured.
And yes, Reimer can be a starter on a lot of teams. He has a .915 career save % on Toronto despite being outshot every night. How do people explain that?
It's unfortunate the Leafs have Bernier, who will be a top NHL goalie for years to come to try to get ice-time from.
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09-22-2014, 09:16 AM
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#232
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by BigTuna
Yet they were a playoff team before Bernier got injured.
And yes, Reimer can be a starter on a lot of teams. He has a .915 career save % on Toronto despite being outshot every night. How do people explain that?
It's unfortunate the Leafs have Bernier, who will be a top NHL goalie for years to come to try to get ice-time from.
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Its pretty common to see goalies that see more shots have a higher save percentage than those that get less. However, in general even strength save percentage is unaffected by the number of shots against, and GAA and penalty kill save percentage is what changes with team quality.
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09-22-2014, 09:20 AM
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#233
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by BigTuna
That was a fact.
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While true, it's also a fact that he was more recently ranked the 363rd best prospect - which is also a fact by your definition.
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09-22-2014, 09:20 AM
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#234
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Originally Posted by sworkhard
Its pretty common to see goalies that see more shots have a higher save percentage than those that get less. However, in general even strength save percentage is unaffected by the number of shots against, and GAA and penalty kill save percentage is what changes with team quality.
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This is not true. Goalies that play in defensive systems usually have the advantage. Every goalie that gets Hitchcock as a coach has a great save %.
Before Reimer arrived, the Leafs had 8 years of sub 900 save % goaltending.
The season Reimer was a rookie, he posted a .921 save %. Every other goalie, including J.S Giguerre, was below 900.
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09-22-2014, 09:27 AM
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#235
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
Yet they were a playoff team before Bernier got injured.
And yes, Reimer can be a starter on a lot of teams. He has a .915 career save % on Toronto despite being outshot every night. How do people explain that?
It's unfortunate the Leafs have Bernier, who will be a top NHL goalie for years to come to try to get ice-time from.
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Out of curiosity:
Considering Bernier's injury was the only reason they missed the playoffs, would you also suggest that Bernier was the only reason they were a playoff team?
After all, they still had Reimer, a bonafide starter, but simply couldn't make the playoffs.
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09-22-2014, 09:27 AM
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#236
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
That was a fact.
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In a manner of speaking. Yes, it is a "fact" that someone, somewhere, for some inexplicable reason believes that Willie Nylander is the fourth best hockey prospect in the world. However, it is not a fact that Willie Nylander is the fourth best hockey prospect in the world.
Even in your twisted realm of logic I trust that you can see the vast difference, and understand why it was a preposterous declaration on your part in the first place.
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09-22-2014, 09:28 AM
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#237
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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BigTuna has officially made Toronto no good.
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09-22-2014, 09:30 AM
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#238
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
BigTuna has officially made Toronto no good.
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Not so. Toronto has been no good for a very long time. Big Tuna is only helping to prove the point.
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09-22-2014, 09:45 AM
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#239
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Lethbridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
This is not true. Goalies that play in defensive systems usually have the advantage. Every goalie that gets Hitchcock as a coach has a great save %.
Before Reimer arrived, the Leafs "had 1 season in" (fyp) 8 years of sub 900 save % goaltending.
The season Reimer was a rookie, he posted a .921 save %. Every other goalie, including J.S Giguerre, was NOT (fyp) below 900.
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Just like how the season Ben Scrivens was a Rookie, he posted a .902, while Reimer barely posted a .900.
I guess you've just proven Scrivens is a bona-fide #1. Let the greaser fans know to plan the parade route.
Oh, and as for the 8 years before Reimer:
2009-10: JSG 0.916, Gustavsson 0.902
2008-09: Gerber 0.905
2007-08: Toskala 0.904
2006-07:
2005-06: Aubin 0.924
2003-04: Belfour 0.918
2002-03: Belfour 0.922
2001-02: Joseph 0.906, Barrasso 0.909
Last edited by wretched34; 09-22-2014 at 09:51 AM.
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09-22-2014, 09:48 AM
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#240
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Lethbridge
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I see now, why no one takes your facts seriously.
Remember, this is the age of the internet, where everything can be cross referenced in a matter of seconds.
You're not on the school play ground in 1990, spouting off all the awesome stats you know, knowing your friends have to believe you, because they can't run home to dig through the old newspapers or find dad's hockey magazines.
Last edited by wretched34; 09-22-2014 at 09:50 AM.
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