2024 Toronto Blue Jays Season Thread

[Jason14h]

Clement had a 3.4 war last year. That’s fine if he can replicate

You need a full bullpen , SS/2B, and one power hitting OF at a minimum to contend for a wild card

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Clement had a 3.4 war last year. That’s fine if he can replicate

You need a full bullpen , SS/2B, and one power hitting OF at a minimum to contend for a wild card

I mean, you could put Clement at SS, Vlad at 3B, Horowitz at 1B and Bo at 2B. If Bo bounces back that isn't terrible. Then you only need to find a DH.

Might be better to find a SS and put Horowitz at DH, Bo at 2B, Vlad at 1B and Clement at 3B, but it's obviously easier to find a DH than a SS.

I also think it's probably a good idea to try and find a starting pitcher. They're down Kikuchi, and I'm not sure that Manoah/Francis are both locks. Even Bassett could be a risk.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I mean, you could put Clement at SS, Vlad at 3B, Horowitz at 1B and Bo at 2B. If Bo bounces back that isn't terrible. Then you only need to find a DH.

Might be better to find a SS and put Horowitz at DH, Bo at 2B, Vlad at 1B and Clement at 3B, but it's obviously easier to find a DH than a SS.

I also think it's probably a good idea to try and find a starting pitcher. They're down Kikuchi, and I'm not sure that Manoah/Francis are both locks. Even Bassett could be a risk.

I don't think that's enough improvement to make the Jays a contender, especially in the AL east.

Agreed, Bo is likely back at SS.

My guess the 2nd is Wagner/Horowitz combo.

They definitely need to acquire a 3rd,

[KelVarnsen]

The Jays aren't making Bo a 2B. That ship sailed a long time ago.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by flambers

I don't think that's enough improvement to make the Jays a contender, especially in the AL east.

Agreed, Bo is likely back at SS.

My guess the 2nd is Wagner/Horowitz combo.

They definitely need to acquire a 3rd,

I meant in addition to adding the power hitting OF and bullpen that he also mentioned.

I think they need 1 OF, 1 infielder and 1 Dh plus a bullpen to be competitive for the wildcard. They finished 12 games out of the wild card so probably need to add 14 WAR by acquisitions. Should be able to add a few in the bullpen given how bad it was this year.

If you think they can get Soto he's 8, but that's obviously a reach.

Could also add 2 infielders and make Horwitz DH. I think they went too far on defense first, but Horwitz was pretty bad at 2B iirc.

[Party Elephant]

I hope Spencer "Horowitz" Horwitz has a big year so I can make SHH catch on as shorthand for his name

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

I hope Spencer "Horowitz" Horwitz has a big year so I can make SHH catch on as shorthand for his name

Doh! I've edited. I think it's because that's how Buck says his name on TV...

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Doh! I've edited. I think it's because that's how Buck says his name on TV...

Oh yeah you're far from the only one, if anything I'm doing it to make fun of Buck

[flambers]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I meant in addition to adding the power hitting OF and bullpen that he also mentioned.

I think they need 1 OF, 1 infielder and 1 Dh plus a bullpen to be competitive for the wildcard. They finished 12 games out of the wild card so probably need to add 14 WAR by acquisitions. Should be able to add a few in the bullpen given how bad it was this year.

If you think they can get Soto he's 8, but that's obviously a reach.

Could also add 2 infielders and make Horwitz DH. I think they went too far on defense first, but Horwitz was pretty bad at 2B iirc.

Personally I don't believe, the Jays have any chance for Soto.

They might submitt an offer, agent will use it to drive up the cost.

[flambers]

Experts are guessing, Soto will sign with Mets or Yankees.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by flambers

Experts are guessing, Soto will sign with Mets or Yankees.

Odds makers have the Dodgers top 3 for Soto destinations as well, which would be sad and hilarious at the same time.

[Jason14h]

3 biggest spenders are the 3 favourites ! News at 11 haha

[bluejays]

Crazy to think the Dodgers have that much money to spend. The Score had an article up the other day that pretty much indicated the Mets were the highest spenders compared to their revenue. LA was a far second. I thought it was pretty interesting.


Here it is: https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/3107553


With that simple article, I can't see the Mets pouring more money in. But the Yanks I sure can see them breaking the bank on him. When they paid that high a price in prospects, you know the owner is going to be asking where the return on investment went if both Soto and the prospects go and they didn't have anything to show for it. So they would be my guess.


Jays are in such a tricky situation. Now we have Atkins indicating Bo won't be dealt (probably because of his injury and not getting perceived value). That's fine if he isn't getting the great offers - makes sense to keep the asset. But you can't keep him if he isn't signing. It's sign or trade. And the only way he signs is if you offer a premium deal. I'd be inclined to give it to him as he's shown in years past he's a great hitter. He can't get crazy term though - give him 5 years @ $30M so he can be comfortable. If he's at the top of his game to me he's worth it. If you keep him and Vlad, there isn't much room to spend too much more which begs the question who of value can be dealt to fill in the rest of the major holes? It's a big question, and again I think it leads to a SP (Gausman). I don't think it's a good idea because of the hole it may open.


So it comes down to trade Bo for huge value, or rebuild. I just wish they rebuilt. This team isn't anywhere near contending.

[Jason14h]

Mets owner has infinite money and just wants a championship

He will spend to the moon

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Mets owner has infinite money and just wants a championship

He will spend to the moon

Yeah, the difference between the Mets and the Yankees is that the Yankees need to be a business now. The Mets are Cohen's hobby and he's rich enough to spend money on it.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Yeah, the difference between the Mets and the Yankees is that the Yankees need to be a business now. The Mets are Cohen's hobby and he's rich enough to spend money on it.

I’m not so sure. These guys are business people at heart. Dollars and cents got them where they are today. When that much money is going out you can be sure they’re paying a ton of attention to what is coming in.

[Inferno]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1855014614486204649

[browna]

Good article by the Score on Soto.

https://thescore.com/mlb/news/3120730

[Samonadreau]

I think everybody learned a lesson from the Ohtani saga and nobody is buying the chance of Soto becoming a Jay.

At least not this guy.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I think everybody learned a lesson from the Ohtani saga and nobody is buying the chance of Soto becoming a Jay.

At least not this guy.

Looking back, the fact that the Jays even had a legitimate sniff at Ohtani last year was incredible and one that 26+ other teams didn't have.

I've said from the start, Soto only cares about money as far as choosing his destination goes this year, and the Jays are one of a few teams can offer that overpay. As well as partnering up with fellow Dominican Vlad.

That's why this works and why there is the possibility for Soto. There are lots of reasons why it won't work (The Score article above lays then all out) but the super rich owner is the reason the Jays would be in it, $ wise.

Given the stadium renos, the result last offseason, the results the last three seasons, the Jays need a PR boost. Yes there are other holes, but...