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Old 10-04-2019, 12:02 PM   #1601
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Isn't $40 million on the Tar Sands group out of $51 million spent in Canada, disproportionate?
I think Garossino is saying it's disproportionate to how much Enviro Foundations spend on other regions of the world. Her numbers for foundation spending on climate change per area (2009-2020):

Canada: 51 Million
USA: 2.9 Billion
EU: 816 Million
China: 624 million
India: 498 million
Latin America: 186 million
Southeast Asia: 131 million
Africa: 111 million
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:03 PM   #1602
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Not meaning this in a derogatory way, but genuinely curious.. have the UCP done anything that has been universally panned as positive or tangible for the province?
I'll give them credit for (at least temporarily) getting rid of the carbon tax quickly. If Trudeau stays in power we'll get hit with it in a couple months but I'll give him the credit where it's due.

I mean it's what they campaigned on, so it's no surprise, but I would say that's a positive for the province, at least economically and they got a couple months out of it.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:09 PM   #1603
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Kenney's first priorities (and not just first-year rhetoric) seemed to be getting his paws all over the status of GSA's and bizarrely eliminating the word 'public' from public schools. Why is this stuff so high priority for them?
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:27 PM   #1604
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This is the central plank in Kenney's conspiracy theory:



SOURCE: https://globalnews.ca/news/5462388/k...lists-funding/

It seems to me (on a quick read) that this article thoroughly discredits that premise (that the anti-energy campaign is overwhelmingly and disproportionately focused on Alberta), no?
But what precisely is "The anti-energy campaign"? Kenney's quotes on this subject are always in the context of talking specifically about the Tar Sands campaign. I don't think he's ever suggested that Alberta receives a disproportionate amount of charitable donations as compared to the entire sum of global charity (an awfully wide umbrella that the author chose to reference, for some reason). His argument always goes back to the fact that since the Tar Sands campaign started by American interests they've been remarkably successful at containing the Canadian Oil sector while production in their own country has grown by 2.5X. It's another example of this author bizarrely attacking weird points that no one's actually made, summing it up into an article and giving it a headline proclaiming Kenney's assertions false, and then pushing it out online where no actually reads it they just see the headline.

I'm pretty sure I read an article employing the same method on that same website last year when the differentials blew out and Alberta was completely untethered from the world oil price. It also had a garbage headline proclaiming that the differential didn't actually exist, and it too cherry picked information it liked to prove a point. The author suggested that because she found proof that some heavy oil barrels that made it to the gulf coast received full WTI pricing that the crisis was manufactured, which was a dumb conclusion reached by dumb method. It's like me trying to disprove that the average height in Canada is 5'10 by showing that I'm 6'5. Lo and behold the differential was real, because of course it was, and if the quoted prices and bare fact before wasn't enough proof all you had to do was to see that every company in town lost money Q4 2018 because it turns out it's hard to make money selling oil for $5 when your OPEX is $15. Did the author have to answer for that fake news garbage piece? no.
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Old 10-04-2019, 12:41 PM   #1605
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Leaked Papers Reveal Secret Plan to Target Millennials and Influence Alberta’s 2019 Provincial Election

https://pressprogress.ca/leaked-pape...cial-election/

That was interesting an interesting read. According to this article, two-thirds of Alberta millennials don't identify with conservative values.
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Old 10-04-2019, 01:31 PM   #1606
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Leaked Papers Reveal Secret Plan to Target Millennials and Influence Albertaís 2019 Provincial Election

https://pressprogress.ca/leaked-pape...cial-election/

That was interesting an interesting read. According to this article, two-thirds of Alberta millennials don't identify with conservative values.
Not sure this is news or necessarily groundbreaking. I imagine that practically since the 1960s 2/3rds of the youth population anywhere in North America have not identified with what's described by the day as having 'conservative values.' Yet somehow through the ages conservatives end up still winning their share of elections. This is mainly because both 'conservative values' evolve over time and people's views change as they get older.
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Well if that's true, why would the Manning Centre go out of their way to run an expensive campaign to change that? If 'conservative values' always win in the end, why bother spending ANY money trying to influence young voters? I suspect it's because this is a change that looks to be more permanent in nature with millennials, and it's sounding alarm bells with conservatives - their way of life simply isn't progressive enough for an evolving population.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:34 PM   #1608
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Breaking: Politicians attempted to make inroads with a constituency with a growing voting base. Film at 11.
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Nah. The article's content suggests a bigger issue, more deep-rooted problem there for conservatives. Sorry.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:41 PM   #1610
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Isn't press progress heavily associated with the NDP ?
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:41 PM   #1611
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Press progress. The left biased Rebel.
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Old 10-04-2019, 03:49 PM   #1612
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Naturally the majority of any voting demographic will self identify as moderate.

I don't see anything in that article that differs from how any political party would operate when courting a voting block.

The Conservative party in the UK, which is the birthplace of modern conservatism in Canada and elsewhere has been around since the 1700s, I'm skeptical that our generation will be the ones to end that, they predate democracy in the Commonwealth. As people grow older they evolve and tend to take more conservative views, it's human nature. People tend to look fondly on the past and resist change.
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While that Press Progress article was from 2017, the Manning Centre must be continuing their strategy:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/man...roud-1.5307111

You guys should see Ed the Sock's bashing with the Proud groups / Young Millennials this week, it's actually quite funny.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:08 PM   #1614
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Nah. The article's content suggests a bigger issue, more deep-rooted problem there for conservatives. Sorry.
Does it?

In a democratic system you will always have a few parties representing the political spectrum. These partyís will move left to right depending on the culture of the day. If a party moves to far to one side and a gap opens up a new party will emerge in the gap representing those views.

A statement could be made that the conservative values of today donít resonate with young voters. However that is completely different then there is a deep rooted problem for conservatives.
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Who was it that said ďIf youíre not a Liberal in your 20ís you donít have a heart. If youíre not a Conservative in your 40ís you donít have a brainĒ? Itís easy to have liberal socialist values when you live in your parentís basement or are not making much money. That tends to change as your career (and earnings) progresses, you gain more life experience and you pay a lot more taxes.
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Liberalism and socialism are more diametrically opposed than conservatism and socialism, but I digress.
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:58 PM   #1617
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Liberalism and socialism are more diametrically opposed than conservatism and socialism, but I digress.
Mad world isnít it?
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Old 10-04-2019, 04:59 PM   #1618
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Who was it that said “If you’re not a Liberal in your 20’s you don’t have a heart. If you’re not a Conservative in your 40’s you don’t have a brain”? It’s easy to have liberal socialist values when you live in your parent’s basement or are not making much money. That tends to change as your career (and earnings) progresses, you gain more life experience and you pay a lot more taxes.
anecdotally i was the complete opposite. very conservative growing up but started to skew more to the left as i got older and met people of different walks of life and am pretty disillusioned with the "fygm" attitude that seems to be the base of conservative values

i have relatively good earnings for someone my age and dont really care about taxes at all. we live well within our means so increases in taxes dont affect my day to day or long term goals whatsoever

but i would agree that most people follow the above path
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Who was it that said ďIf youíre not a Liberal in your 20ís you donít have a heart. If youíre not a Conservative in your 40ís you donít have a brainĒ? Itís easy to have liberal socialist values when you live in your parentís basement or are not making much money. That tends to change as your career (and earnings) progresses, you gain more life experience and you pay a lot more taxes.
I've definitely gone that way as I've aged and made my way in the world. I said all kinds of dumb things when I was a 20 year old student and thought that I had the world all figured out! Thankfully though, I also changed my views socially as those were pretty poor in hindsight.
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Who was it that said ďIf youíre not a Liberal in your 20ís you donít have a heart. If youíre not a Conservative in your 40ís you donít have a brainĒ? Itís easy to have liberal socialist values when you live in your parentís basement or are not making much money. That tends to change as your career (and earnings) progresses, you gain more life experience and you pay a lot more taxes.
It was the same guy that said "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
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