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Old 10-25-2020, 04:43 PM   #161
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So PTOs this year just sign them for league min?
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:43 AM   #162
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Finally a RHS signing! And he's got size and seems to be able to skate up ice. Great addition to the Flames!
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:07 AM   #163
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Gaudreau-Backlund-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Monahan-Mangiapane
Dube-Bennett-Leivo
Lucic-Ryan-Nordstrom
Rinaldo

Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Tanev
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Gaudreau-Backlund-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Monahan-Mangiapane
Dube-Bennett-Leivo
Lucic-Ryan-Nordstrom
Rinaldo

Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Tanev
Gio-Kylington
Nesterov

Who am I missing?
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Old 10-26-2020, 12:07 PM   #165
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If they keep the top 2 lines together, then it logically boils down to

Dube - Bennett - Leivo

for the 3rd line, which I think is really intriguing. However, I suspect the lines are going to be in the blender all year.
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Old 10-26-2020, 01:39 PM   #166
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^ that line would play with a lot of pace.
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Old 10-26-2020, 03:04 PM   #167
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In a Sportsnet article about Leivo, it was said that while he shoots right and can play either wing, he prefers playing the left wing. And reading his interviews, where he said he like to play an aggressive offensive style, crash the net, get into the dirty areas, I think he will look awesome on Bennett's wing, with Dube on the either side. Whether its RW like Enoch Root said or they keep Dube on the right with Leivo on the left, I really like that line.

Also said in the interview part of what convinced him to sign with Calgary is he normally trains with Gio and Monahan in the off-season. Awesome.
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A new number 1 goalie, a bunch of solid depth players signed to league minimum or near league minimum contracts, a hopefully healthy Valimaki....

Im going to be pissed if they can't manage to have a season.
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Old 10-26-2020, 04:23 PM   #169
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Leivo-Bennett-Dube would be pretty fun. 3 hard driving forwards and two inverted wingers, to use a footy term.

I feel like they could generate a ton of pressure. Excited to see if they use this group in season.
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Old 10-26-2020, 04:32 PM   #170
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I enjoy how a Canuck who wasn't a huge priority to bring back for them, was injured for most of last year and who signed a one year deal at almost league minimum is being slotted into our 3rd line like its a not a complete hope and a prayer - super Flamesy
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I enjoy how a Canuck who wasn't a huge priority to bring back for them, was injured for most of last year and who signed a one year deal at almost league minimum is being slotted into our 3rd line like its a not a complete hope and a prayer - super Flamesy
You clearly have a narrative made up already, but why not just look at Leivo's stats before posting... that's like the minimum you're required to do not to make an ass of yourself and yet here we are!
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I enjoy how a Canuck who wasn't a huge priority to bring back for them, was injured for most of last year and who signed a one year deal at almost league minimum is being slotted into our 3rd line like its a not a complete hope and a prayer - super Flamesy
You forgot to log into your Ricardo account before posting this hoss.
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You clearly have a narrative made up already, but why not just look at Leivo's stats before posting... that's like the minimum you're required to do not to make an ass of yourself and yet here we are!
No "narrative clearly made up"...I don't know the player enough to have a real opinion of him yet. Assuming like the rest of you I'm hoping it works out, we found a bargain and he outperforms his deal. But yes its super Flamesy - that said i get it, I have hopes and dreams too.

Please direct me to which stats I should be looking at before posting here sir. I'll be sure to submit my posts for approval.
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Old 10-26-2020, 06:53 PM   #174
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You forgot to log into your Ricardo account before posting this hoss.
Cool story Hansel.

Anyways, my buddy is a huge Canucks fan - here is his two cents on the player.

"Solid player. 3rd or 4th line. Energy, skating, decent hands, plays well with similar players. Wish we had him for the playoffs. Some ahole pushed him from behind and broke his kneecap. If his skating isn't affected he's a great signing for you. Another Benning cap casualty. "

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No "narrative clearly made up"...I don't know the player enough to have a real opinion of him yet. Assuming like the rest of you I'm hoping it works out, we found a bargain and he outperforms his deal. But yes its super Flamesy - that said i get it, I have hopes and dreams too.

Please direct me to which stats I should be looking at before posting here sir. I'll be sure to submit my posts for approval.
So a few things:

1) Here are some (all?) of the goals he scored last season, Skip ahead to 1:47:



As you can see, he wasn't really playing a 4th line role. On lines with guys like Horvat and Ferland, that's pretty firmly their second line.

2) I posted these numbers earlier in this thread. Again, this is pretty firmly top six production:

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1.99 5v5 P/60 ranks 4th on the Canucks among 400+ minute forwards.

On the Flames, that would have ranked second behind only Mangiapane. Tkachuk was 1.97 5v5 P/60.

Sustainable? Probably not.
A sign of some skill in a middle six role? Probably.

So I don't think Flames fans are being particularily hopeful. The guy is clearly worth more than the veterans minimum, but his injury and the current free agency climate squeezed him out.

It's probably Treliving's highest-value free agency signing... ever.
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So I don't think Flames fans are being particularily hopeful. The guy is clearly worth more than the veterans minimum, but his injury and the current free agency climate squeezed him out.

It's probably Treliving's highest-value free agency signing... ever.

Even without the cap crunch, I would not have given him more than a million. Guy cannot stay healthy and is super inconsistent.
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Even without the cap crunch, I would not have given him more than a million. Guy cannot stay healthy and is super inconsistent.
Well it’s a good thing the Flames only gave him $875K.

Admittedly he’s no Sven Baertschi or Jay Beagle. As for health, we’ll see. He played 76 games the previous season.
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Not for the Canucks. He missed close to three weeks upon joining the team.

Anyways, I wasn't arguing the current contract was bad, I was arguing he'd have gotten more in a normal situation.
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So a few things:

1) Here are some (all?) of the goals he scored last season, Skip ahead to 1:47:



As you can see, he wasn't really playing a 4th line role. On lines with guys like Horvat and Ferland, that's pretty firmly their second line.

2) I posted these numbers earlier in this thread. Again, this is pretty firmly top six production:




So I don't think Flames fans are being particularily hopeful. The guy is clearly worth more than the veterans minimum, but his injury and the current free agency climate squeezed him out.

It's probably Treliving's highest-value free agency signing... ever.


Leivo in his 84 games with the Canucks got 2:17 /game on the PP. Backlund had 1:24 on the pp

Who on the Flames PP will give up PP time to Leivo?

Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Monahan... or maybe the Flame go with 5 forwards?

Compare Leivo's career best year 2018-19 to an ex-flame who signed with Pittsburgh for 700K

Leivo games 76 goals 14 pts 24 +5 non-pp Goals 11 non-PP pts 17
ex-Flame games 79 goals 14 pts 32 +6 non-pp goals 14 non-pp pts 32


The stats say that Leivo would have to have a HUGE improvement to match the scoring prowess of the ex-Flame.

I don't miss Jankowski but he made a better case than Leivo to be on the top-6.

As for lack of energy from the bottom 6 Jankowski 1.36 hits/ 60 minutes and Leivo 1.76 hits / 60 minutes both a sign of high skill no contact players.
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Leivo in his 84 games with the Canucks got 2:17 /game on the PP. Backlund had 1:24 on the pp

Who on the Flames PP will give up PP time to Leivo?

Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Monahan... or maybe the Flame go with 5 forwards?

Compare Leivo's career best year 2018-19 to an ex-flame who signed with Pittsburgh for 700K

Leivo games 76 goals 14 pts 24 +5 non-pp Goals 11 non-PP pts 17
ex-Flame games 79 goals 14 pts 32 +6 non-pp goals 14 non-pp pts 32


The stats say that Leivo would have to have a HUGE improvement to match the scoring prowess of the ex-Flame.

I don't miss Jankowski but he made a better case than Leivo to be on the top-6.

As for lack of energy from the bottom 6 Jankowski 1.36 hits/ 60 minutes and Leivo 1.76 hits / 60 minutes both a sign of high skill no contact players.
The only time Jankowski hit someone was when he dozed off during play and bumped in to someone.
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