05-10-2016, 06:17 PM
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#3641
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Kuemper to Calgary makes all kinds of sense.
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The Wild will need a backup so Ortio to the Wild for Kuemper and we re-sign Ramo for another 1a, 1b tandem?
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05-10-2016, 06:24 PM
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#3642
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulcan
The Wild will need a backup so Ortio to the Wild for Kuemper and we re-sign Ramo for another 1a, 1b tandem?
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Probably have to add a pick to Ortio, late 2nd or our 3rd would fair IMO.
I like Ramo, but I'd be really wary of bringing him back after a serious injury and long lay off. I'd be tempted to snag a UFA if we go the tandem route with a younger guy like Kuemper. Chad Johnson maybe? As he'd be cheaper than Reimer. Heck maybe still go after Reimer. He and Kuemper would still probably only combine for $5-6 million total against the cap.
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05-10-2016, 06:25 PM
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#3643
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
How painful is it that the three key pieces missing from the Flames are
Physical goal scoring right handed shooting Right Winger
Tough as nails stay at home defenseman who can play against top line players
Elite level goaltender
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So you think all we're missing are Curtis Joseph, Cory Sarich, and Chuck Kobasew?
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05-10-2016, 06:48 PM
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#3644
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom
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Nice! Hopefully the Flames capitalize on this opportunity
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05-10-2016, 07:03 PM
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#3645
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Franchise Player
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just out of curiosity, what do people think it will cost us to trade for Kuemper?
would a mid second round pick get it done?
and not sure if i would trade Ortio: we still need a back up and Kuemper isn't that consistent...
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05-10-2016, 07:05 PM
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#3646
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Why do we want the goalie that sucked in Minnesota again? I'm confused
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05-10-2016, 07:19 PM
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#3647
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Franchise Player
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I'm not sure going after Kuemper is the answer? He is not ready to be a starter and i don't think Calgary should be going the 2 1b goalie route again. I don't have a problem if they get him as a backup, but do they really need to spend assets on a back-up? I would presume if they went the Kuemper route that Ortio would be gone.
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05-10-2016, 07:28 PM
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#3648
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Kuemper to Calgary makes all kinds of sense.
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As a backup maybe. If we roll with Kuemper/Ortio next year, I would expect another top 5 pick that will turn into something worse.
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05-10-2016, 07:33 PM
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#3649
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Why do we want the goalie that sucked in Minnesota again? I'm confused
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Sucked? His numbers are actually decent for a young inexperienced goalie. He only has 84 NHL games so far. I don't want him as the starter, but to back up a more experienced tender while he grows into a starting role.
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Originally Posted by kyuss275
I'm not sure going after Kuemper is the answer? He is not ready to be a starter and i don't think Calgary should be going the 2 1b goalie route again. I don't have a problem if they get him as a backup, but do they really need to spend assets on a back-up? I would presume if they went the Kuemper route that Ortio would be gone.
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As I mentioned above, I'd still go after Reimer or an experienced starter via trade. Halak for instance.
Halak (via trade) or Reimer (via UFA) for 2 years @ $4.5 (50~ starts?)
The trade for Kuemper and sign him for 2 years @ $1.5 (30~ starts?)
$6 million is decent cap for a goalie tandem. Ramo/Hiller cost us $8.3 million against the cap last season *shudder* and this new tandem would be a pretty big upgrade IMO.
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05-10-2016, 07:34 PM
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#3650
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
As a backup maybe. If we roll with Kuemper/Ortio next year, I would expect another top 5 pick that will turn into something worse.
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Yes, as a back up.
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05-10-2016, 07:37 PM
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#3651
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Scoring Winger
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I'd rather just sign Reimer, would not want to spend assets on a 26 year old unproven goalie. Tired of having a below average 1a/1b tandem.
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05-10-2016, 08:22 PM
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#3652
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Is Kuemper that much better than Ortio that he's worth the Flames giving up solid assets to acquire to back up the new starting goaltender? I don't think so but if the price is reasonable I have no issues bringing him in as I'm not sold on Ortio. That writer has an inflated worth of Kuemper on the trade market as we aren't talking about Cam Talbot here and he only fetched a 2nd, 3rd, and 7th pick.
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05-10-2016, 08:32 PM
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#3653
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Is Kuemper that much better than Ortio that he's worth the Flames giving up solid assets to acquire to back up the new starting goaltender? I don't think so but if the price is reasonable I have no issues bringing him in as I'm not sold on Ortio. That writer has an inflated worth of Kuemper on the trade market as we aren't talking about Cam Talbot here and he only fetched a 2nd, 3rd, and 7th pick.
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Exactly. I think the writer used the word "huge" at one point to describe his value even. The moment I read that I just assumed a bias.
Realistically, and what is soon to be considered a flooded market due to expansion, names like Fleury and Varlamov may become available. Kuemper's value will hardly be huge. He's unproven afterall oh and a UFA after next season to boot.
He actually makes great sense as a backup - but who could turn it on as a pending UFA. I think we get him for one of our 2nds.
Pure guess but I think we inquired about him at the deadline while doing the Jones deal - as the Wild would have wanted him for the playoffs. At the time fletcher (loose lips) said there was deals to be made that had to wait for offseason. Funny it's offseason and now he's broadcasting Kuemper.
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05-10-2016, 08:37 PM
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#3654
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Franchise Player
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Getting a better backup is secondary to getting a proven #1 goalie
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05-10-2016, 10:14 PM
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#3655
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nightfx
I'd rather just sign Reimer, would not want to spend assets on a 26 year old unproven goalie. Tired of having a below average 1a/1b tandem.
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Kuemper (26 years old), 84 gp over 3 NHL backup seasons. Posts an NHL average of 2.47 GAA and 0.912 Sv%
Reimer (28 years old), 215gp over 6 NHL backup seasons (averaging 35gp per season). Posts an average of 2.79 GAA and 0.914 Sv%
Basically, Reimer just proves he is a good backup, but he's never played remotely close to 60 games in a season.
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05-10-2016, 10:21 PM
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#3656
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkGio
Kuemper (26 years old), 84 gp over 3 NHL backup seasons. Posts an NHL average of 2.47 GAA and 0.912 Sv%
Reimer (28 years old), 215gp over 6 NHL backup seasons (averaging 35gp per season). Posts an average of 2.79 GAA and 0.914 Sv%
Basically, Reimer just proves he is a good backup, but he's never played remotely close to 60 games in a season.
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And Kiprusoff didn't even look like a good backup when we acquired him back in the day. Think his GAA was over 3.00. Hard to read too much into numbers especially when a guy like Reimer has played on some Leafs teams who had some pretty mediocre to bad defences in front of him. Reimer has looked pretty good on the Sharks. I personally think he'd be a fine starter but I don't mind if Treliving wants to go in another direction either.
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05-10-2016, 10:23 PM
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#3657
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkGio
Kuemper (26 years old), 84 gp over 3 NHL backup seasons. Posts an NHL average of 2.47 GAA and 0.912 Sv%
Reimer (28 years old), 215gp over 6 NHL backup seasons (averaging 35gp per season). Posts an average of 2.79 GAA and 0.914 Sv%
Basically, Reimer just proves he is a good backup, but he's never played remotely close to 60 games in a season.
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I'm not advocating signing Reimer but Kemper played for one of the best defensive teams in the league, Reimer played for Toronto. Straight number comparison doesn't do justice.
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05-11-2016, 06:24 AM
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#3658
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Could Care Less
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2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2
Would rather have Fleury than Reimer. Pens won't be able to keep both and obviously Murray is ready to be a #1.
Fleury is a vet with lots in the tank still, experienced at all levels, won a cup. He has issues with consistency, especially in the playoffs, but is a legit starter. The Flames need a legit starter, no more tandem 1B/2A BS. No to Ramo, some of you people are crazy!
I'd be happy with Fleury/Kuemper or Fleury/Ortio.
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05-11-2016, 06:37 AM
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#3659
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Powerplay Quarterback
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While I'm not quite feeling brown yet, if he fulfills potential he could be more useful than anyone outside the top 3. If that's who we get, then I trust the scouts and Treliving to know their stuff. I think he has skating because to me he looked slow but he always seemed to get where he needed to.
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05-11-2016, 06:37 AM
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#3660
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Powerplay Quarterback
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For some reason I see Fleury costing us too much. Conroy mentioned they were looking for that diamond in the rough again. I just don't see them shelling out the coin for Fleury who will be getting on in age. They were after Murray doesn't make them after Fleiry - and that concussion was a big deal at the end there as well...
I see them making a not-so-obvious creative move tbh. Maybe Reimer/Kuemper? A part of me thinks they could swing something with Colorado for Pickard as well. Enroth as UFA maybe?
They will have a lot of money to shell out to Monohan and Gaudreau, don't see them paying Fleury.
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