Geoff Ward - Worst head coach ever

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Ward's record as head coach since taking over is 24-14-3 coming into tonight. That's a winning percentage of .622.

Here's where he ranks among Flames coaches over the last few decades with that percentage.

1. Terry Crisp .669
2. Geoff Ward .622
3. Bill Peters .614
4. Mike Keenan. 585
5. Darryl Sutter .581
6. Dave King .576
7. Brent Sutter. 557
8. Doug Risebrough .552
9. Bob Johnson .548
10. Glen Gulutzan .543

It's a very safe statement to say that Ward is a perfectly acceptable head coach, possibly one of the better ones we've had considering he's improved on Peters' record and that was the best season since 1989. Hard to say how good he is since it's been a shortened season, but considering the roster he's been given, he's doing a terrific job.

/end thread.

Sample size. You are saying Ward is a better coach than D. Sutter? GTFO.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Ward is at least top 3 in Calgary's Interim Head Coaches.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Ward's record as head coach since taking over is 24-14-3 coming into tonight. That's a winning percentage of .622.

Here's where he ranks among Flames coaches over the last few decades with that percentage.

1. Terry Crisp .669
2. Geoff Ward .622
3. Bill Peters .614
4. Mike Keenan. 585
5. Darryl Sutter .581
6. Dave King .576
7. Brent Sutter. 557
8. Doug Risebrough .552
9. Bob Johnson .548
10. Glen Gulutzan .543

It's a very safe statement to say that Ward is a perfectly acceptable head coach, possibly one of the better ones we've had considering he's improved on Peters' record and that was the best season since 1989. Hard to say how good he is since it's been a shortened season, but considering the roster he's been given, he's doing a terrific job.

/end thread.

This post completely disregards the quality of the roster or the performance of the GM. Some of the coaches on that list never even coached more than 100 games for the Flames.
There's a reason the Flames lack prospects and draft picks. Treliving has been doing everything in his power to make the roster pretty deep. He has succeeded, to an extent.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by zamler

Sample size.

I granted that point in my post thank you very much.

Still, he's had nearly as many games as Peters and is doing a comparable job. We were all pretty thrilled with Peters last year I seem to remember, and there were few people asking about his abilities to call a timeout (which he did almost never as well).

All I'm saying is that his record with a team that has not put up NEARLY as much offense speaks to his ability to get the most out of his team. I think he's doing a terrific job all things considered (especially with how he ended up getting the job in the first place).

People assume he isn't a good head coach because he started as an assistant this year and was named interim. Nobody takes that type of coach seriously, but he's getting pretty great results. I have a lot of respect for him and I think we could do a LOT worse.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

Sample size. You are saying Ward is a better coach than D. Sutter? GTFO.

He never said that. he said “perfectly acceptable” and “possibly one of the better ones” and used a high winning percentage as evidence. IMO he certainly demonstrated he did’t think he was the best or second best. Heck, Crisp isn’t the best - we all realize that.

But compare Peters and Ward, with the exact same team.

[zamler]

Can't argue with anyone that thinks Ward is doing a "terrific job".

[Erick Estrada]

I will say if his intentions are to start Rittich in the playoffs then I would caution that there may not be any playoffs and that's not going to look good on him. This is Craig McTavish goalie management.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

Can't argue with anyone that thinks Ward is doing a "terrific job".

“All things considered”.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by zamler

Can't argue with anyone that thinks Ward is doing a "terrific job".

I mean, you could try. You know, form some sort of counter-argument. Or you could just bitch about someone not sharing your opinion. That's always productive.

[Psytic]

The team is going along business as usual putting up similar results as Peters the year before according to the win pct. Can that not also be interpreted as Ward is just keeping the chair warm doing nothing and he isnt a net positve or negative.

I got a new Director at work that hasnt done anything and as a Manager im still clipping along doing slightly better than last year with 0 input from the new Director. Does that person deserve any credit?? Is this any indication Ward is doing anything ? Or just that the roster can carry the mail on its own about the same. They could very well be playing off the foundation that Peter's built still and Ward has just added the Ipod.

[djsFlames]

You're out to lunch dude.

Eakins is worse.

[Inglewood Jack]

That record absolutely does not convince me of a damn thing. All I need to do is watch how many times the team comes out flat, gets hemmed in their zone, transitions with the speed of a sloth on Xanax, gets hugely outchanced, and overly relies on comebacks and OT/shootouts to claim wins. And that doesn’t even count line combinations so weird that the players themselves have to come forward and ask for them to be fixed. It’s easily possible for a team to have a winning record while playing at a fraction of their roster potential. This is one of those instances.

[atb]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Ward's record as head coach since taking over is 24-14-3 coming into tonight. That's a winning percentage of .622.

Here's where he ranks among Flames coaches over the last few decades with that percentage.

1. Terry Crisp .669
2. Geoff Ward .622
3. Bill Peters .614
4. Mike Keenan. 585
5. Darryl Sutter .581
6. Dave King .576
7. Brent Sutter. 557
8. Doug Risebrough .552
9. Bob Johnson .548
10. Glen Gulutzan .543

It's a very safe statement to say that Ward is a perfectly acceptable head coach, possibly one of the better ones we've had considering he's improved on Peters' record and that was the best season since 1989. Hard to say how good he is since it's been a shortened season, but considering the roster he's been given, he's doing a terrific job.

/end thread.

After the run they went on after the coaching change, they're 18-18. I don't think Ward has been anything special for this team.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I mean, you could try. You know, form some sort of counter-argument. Or you could just bitch about someone not sharing your opinion. That's always productive.

The super obvious counter is sample size it blows up your entire argument.

Morgan Geekie is running at a 3 point per game clip best player in the NHL.

[Classic_Sniper]

This place can be absolutely toxic when it comes to coaches. Not sure why so many arm chair analysts here think they understand the game more than a Stanley Cup winner behind the bench.

Maybe Ward doesn’t have the credentials or experience, but he’s a smart guy and based on all the pre game interviews I’ve heard, he certainly has a deep understanding of the game and has the team prepared to know what to expect from the opponent.

Even if the Flames went after a legend like Joel Quenneville, would that make the team any better? Certainly hasn’t changed Florida’s fortunes who are about the same place as they’ve been for years.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by atb

After the run they went on after the coaching change, they're 18-18. I don't think Ward has been anything special for this team.

Let’s ignore all the other wins as well, while we’re at it. Ward hasn’t really won any games at all.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

This place can be absolutely toxic when it comes to coaches. Not sure why so many arm chair analysts here think they understand the game more than a Stanley Cup winner behind the bench.

Maybe Ward doesn’t have the credentials or experience, but he’s a smart guy and based on all the pre game interviews I’ve heard, he certainly has a deep understanding of the game and has the team prepared to know what to expect from the opponent.

Even if the Flames went after a legend like Joel Quenneville, would that make the team any better? Certainly hasn’t changed Florida’s fortunes who are about the same place as they’ve been for years.

Have to disagree on this point.

[bubbsy]

Remember when he had backlund at wing for a dozen or so games? Left Hanafin and hamonic together as a pairing until injuries tought him a thing or two? How about getting Bennett going only to nip that in the bud? how about a week span right now seeing 2 games where the team has choked in the final 3 mins or under of a close game?

Is ward an adequate coach where the expectations were always to 'just get in'? Absolutely. Go flames go.

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Even if the Flames went after a legend like Joel Quenneville, would that make the team any better?

that's what pisses me off, we have no idea because they have never even tried the "legendary" or even "very good playoff proven" coach with the current roster core.

[dino7c]

Do we have a "this thread is terrible" username