Baertschi is on waivers

[rhino]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It actually requires corn.

Limestone

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, what part don't you agree with? Do you disagree that Ferland's career looks to be in jeopardy? Do you disagree that it was nice for him to earn one more big contract before he is forced into retirement?

I don't get it.

Op mistyped, I think.
They wrote "happy he received that contact" and everybody read contract.

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Happy for him that he got that contact. It looks like he is close to done.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Here's a flashback.



Check out the Flames' Top Five Prospects at the time....

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Here's a flashback.



Check out the Flames' Top Five Prospects at the time....

Well... at least they were right to rate Brodie 1st out of that bunch....

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by foofighter15

Well... at least they were right to rate Brodie 1st out of that bunch....

Max Reinhart looked like a really, really good prospect after his 2010-11 season though. The others were already fairly underwhelming at that point in time as I recall.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Here's a flashback.



Check out the Flames' Top Five Prospects at the time....

That's a reminder of the Darryl Sutter decade of drafting. Brodie and Backlund and a whole lot of junk for the most part.

[foofighter15]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

Max Reinhart looked like a really, really good prospect after his 2010-11 season though. The others were already fairly underwhelming at that point in time as I recall.

I had high hopes for Max too, and even Leland Irving. Its always mind blowing when you look at how many more flops there are than one who stick. But that's the business.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

As much as we love Mangiapane, he has 23 points in 87 games. He is a ~0.3 points per game guy both this year and last.

Baertschi has put up a serviceable 0.5 points per game the last 3 seasons.

If Mangiapane continues to develop, he should hopefully have a higher ceiling.

But right now people love him for his potential, more so than his results.

Also, on the topic of players relevant to Sven, Rasmus is shaping up quite nicely

Not when you take into account opportunity.

Baertschi in in Vancouver career has been a 1.60 Points/60 player.

Mangiapane was 1.79 last year and 1.53 this year ... for 1.67/60 in the last two seasons.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not when you take into account opportunity.

Baertschi in in Vancouver career has been a 1.60 Points/60 player.

Mangiapane was 1.79 last year and 1.53 this year ... for 1.67/60 in the last two seasons.

So you are saying they are roughly comparable, by that metric, and slight edge to Mangiapane at the moment.

I see the per 60 used a lot in support of guys with limited ice time

Honest question. How well does it generally scale? An increase in ice time potentially can result in an increase in quality of competition. (More ice time is allocated to better lines, and they receive more attention from the opposition)

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

So you are saying they are roughly comparable, by that metric, and slight edge to Mangiapane at the moment.

I see the per 60 used a lot in support of guys with limited ice time

Honest question. How well does it generally scale? An increase in ice time potentially can result in an increase in quality of competition. (More ice time is allocated to better lines, and they receive more attention from the opposition)

Absolutely ... it's not a straight line

But then either is points per game when players play a different average of minutes per game.

I think in this case it works though. His production is off this year for sure, but it hasn't flat lined and he's getting way fiercer quality of opposition.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Here's a weird/ maybe interesting proposition:

If we clear out some of our wingers (frolik, bennett, mangiapane) in a hall trade, could we pick sven up to fill that role?

I am really struggling to understand the thought processes required to believe that a Hall trade centred around giving up our junk + Mangiapane is feasible, or to believe that picking up Baertschi is in any way a useful move.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not when you take into account opportunity.

Baertschi in in Vancouver career has been a 1.60 Points/60 player.

Mangiapane was 1.79 last year and 1.53 this year ... for 1.67/60 in the last two seasons.

Mangiapane is also a sixth round pick. That he's even in the show is a win.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Wow, dead on with that Loui Eriksson comparable. He didn't quite live up to the 6M wasted cap space on the Canucks that Loui is, but 3.3M of wasted salary is nothing to scoff at.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Rasmus Andersson is easily a 1st round talent if they redid his draft year, so we did quite alright with Baertschi eventually. I'm more than happy on what we got for him.

The 2015 draft is turning out to be an absolute killer, he might not.

Everyone seemed to make out well. Calgary traded away three picks in the first two rounds and still drafted Andersson, Kylington and Mangipane. Edmonton nabbed Ethan Bear in the 5th while somehow managing to snag Connor McDavid 1st overall.

The funniest thing about that whole draft is Boston Jakub Zbori, Jake DeBrusk and Zachary Senyshyn 13th, 14th and 15th while Matthew Barzel, Kyle Connor and Thomas Chabot were picked 16th 17th and 18th.

Ouch.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Boston missed out on a dynasty by being too cute with that draft.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Mangiapane is also a sixth round pick. That he's even in the show is a win.

Mangiapane also makes $715K. Sven makes $3M+.

On the PP/60 topic, it's obviously not scalable easily - quality of opposition/quality of linemates, plus effectiveness at a certain number of minutes all plays into it.

And then you have to add in the non-scoring play. I haven't watched Sven for a while, but I hated his play in his own zone and on the forecheck (he always got to the puck a hair late and on the wrong side of the puck, so he never won a puck battle). Mangiapane is pretty good on the forecheck and I never notice a bad defensive play.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Yeah, I’d agree. I was at a skate in Baertschi’s career and chatting with Conroy and he was raving about his compete level.

Something got broken with the kid, he just couldn’t sustain it consistently at the NHL level

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

1) Lol, clearly wrong
Despite those savings with Schaller, they’re already being realized with Baertschi. Nothing gained. Further Schaller has a caphit of $1.9, Baertschi 3.3, with under a $100k in cap room.

Okay, let me be really clear because apparently this is difficult to grasp for some people.

If you are swapping a player on your NHL roster for a guy on your AHL roster, and both players make more than 1.075M, the exchange has no impact whatsoever on your cap situation. It does not matter that one player makes more than the other.

Because both players make over 1.075M, if they were to call up Baertschi and send down Schaller, the total cap space of the Canucks would be exactly the same as it is now.

2) You’re clearly not watching him play, when you suggest defensive winger.

I didn't. I suggested 3rd line scoring winger, which is pretty much what he is, and that the Canucks have room for one of those because their third line is more of a scoring line than a checking line. All in all, they'd be better with him in the lineup than Schaller. Not that it's the difference between them being the mediocre team they are and actually being good, mind you.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Wow, dead on with that Loui Eriksson comparable. He didn't quite live up to the 6M wasted cap space on the Canucks that Loui is, but 3.3M of wasted salary is nothing to scoff at.

Take three or four concussions off either guy's brain and I'm certain they're not viewed as misfit toys across the league.

[sureLoss]

Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Sven Baertschi (VAN) clears waivers.