Baertschi is on waivers

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by icecube

They should have stayed where the eff they were and drafted Teravainen like everyone said they should. A first line winger right there for the taking but they had to try to get fancy and “smart” and traded down to get a 2nd rounder that busted anyway. I frickin hate this team so much sometimes.


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I love Rittich but if we stayed put wouldn’t drafting Vasilevskiy bring the most value?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I love Rittich but if we stayed put wouldn’t drafting Vasilevskiy bring the most value?

Or Tom Wilson as the second choice using complete hindsight with our current make up.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Flames scouts fell in love with Janko and chose that path instead of drafting teuvo, wilson, vasilevskiy, ceci or Hertl, who were all available prior to Calgary trading their pick to Buffalo...

definitely was a surprise to me when it happened (but i don't pretend to be a scout) as kids drafted out of canadian high schools instead of CHL leagues is such rarity especially in the first round.

[GreenLantern2814]

2005 and 2006 were horrific drafts for the Flames.

2005 is bad - 6th round pick Brett Sutter played the most of anyone, 60 NHL GP.

2006 is an abomination. Leland Irving played 13 games in the show.

If you're looking for the real reason the Iggy/Kipper Flames never achieved more than 2004, those two drafts are why.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

2005 and 2006 were horrific drafts for the Flames.

2005 is bad - 6th round pick Brett Sutter played the most of anyone, 60 NHL GP.

2006 is an abomination. Leland Irving played 13 games in the show.

If you're looking for the real reason the Iggy/Kipper Flames never achieved more than 2004, those two drafts are why.

Matt Pelech is another player who early on looked like he would be a good NHL player, but whose career was hampered by injuries. I think the way the game changed quite suddenly starting in 2005 also had an impact—but this was not something that was foreseen at the time it happened. If anything I would call 2005 unlucky.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

* cap hit. Financially, Schaller cannot be swapped for Baestchie, as the Canucks are at the ceiling.
* Schaller can play thought the bottom 6/9. Baertschi is best top 6. Different types of wingers.

1. This is clearly wrong, because Schaller makes more than 1.075M, which is the maximum amount that can be buried. The impact of swapping one for the other is zero, from a cap perspective. That obviously doesn't even take into consideration the fact that Loui Eriksson also exists.
2. The Canucks basically have an offensive 1st / 3rd line and a defensive 2nd / 4th line. Baertschi clearly fits in as a defensive top 9 winger who plays PP2. There's room for a guy like that in a middle-of-the-road lineup like theirs. If it bumps Antoine Roussel to the 4th line, so be it.

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by icecube

They should have stayed where the eff they were and drafted Teravainen like everyone said they should. A first line winger right there for the taking but they had to try to get fancy and “smart” and traded down to get a 2nd rounder that busted anyway. I frickin hate this team so much sometimes.


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Ha I remember screaming at the tv when they did that

[dino7c]

You guys are really good at drafting with hindsight

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

1. This is clearly wrong, because Schaller makes more than 1.075M, which is the maximum amount that can be buried. The impact of swapping one for the other is zero, from a cap perspective. That obviously doesn't even take into consideration the fact that Loui Eriksson also exists.
2. The Canucks basically have an offensive 1st / 3rd line and a defensive 2nd / 4th line. Baertschi clearly fits in as a defensive top 9 winger who plays PP2. There's room for a guy like that in a middle-of-the-road lineup like theirs. If it bumps Antoine Roussel to the 4th line, so be it.

1) Lol, clearly wrong
Despite those savings with Schaller, they’re already being realized with Baertschi. Nothing gained. Further Schaller has a caphit of $1.9, Baertschi 3.3, with under a $100k in cap room.
2) You’re clearly not watching him play, when you suggest defensive winger.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Call me crazy but if we had the cap space I would be happy to welcome him back and see if he can rebound.

It would be quite a story for the team that drafted him to pick him up and his career gets back on track.

Baertschi at $3.3 million and having no cap space makes this impossible but it would be sweet if it worked out.

I could see Sven succeeding in places like Pittsburgh or Colorado but the cap hit will make it difficult for any teams to really be interested unless salary was going back the other way.

Not crazy, but I definitely think you are wrong. Baertschi is already 27-years-old, and has only once ever scored more than 30-points in a NHL season. He has never played 70-games in a season, and has not played more than 55 in three years. He has struggled to hold onto a NHL roster spot with two organisations now, even when he appears for all intents and purposes to be the team's best option. He has now made overtures to force the hand of both NHL teams for which he has played.

I really think Baertschi's NHL career is essentially done.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

2005 and 2006 were horrific drafts for the Flames.

2005 is bad - 6th round pick Brett Sutter played the most of anyone, 60 NHL GP.

2006 is an abomination. Leland Irving played 13 games in the show.

If you're looking for the real reason the Iggy/Kipper Flames never achieved more than 2004, those two drafts are why.

Who were they supposed to draft there in 2006? Michael Neuvirth? Jamie McGinn? The only player available that would have made a dent was Nick Foligno, and that's with perfect hindsight.

We should have gotten Carl Sneep.

2005 is the same thing -- James Neal would have made a difference, but the next closest would be Matt Niskanen. Vlasic would have been nice, it could have easily been Brendan Mikkelson.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Another horrible 1st round draft pick by Calgary. We suck at drafting, unfortunately.

1 4 Edmonton Jesse Puljujarvi R Karpat [SM-liiga] 139 17 20 37 40 2018-19
1 5 Vancouver Olli Juolevi D London Knights [OHL]


1 5 NY Islanders Michael Dal Colle L Oshawa Generals [OHL] 58 5 6 11 12

1 11 Philadelphia Samuel Morin D Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]

1 4 NY Islanders Griffin Reinhart D Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL] 37 0 2 2 26


And around where Baertschi was drafted in 2011

1 11 Colorado Duncan Siemens D Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 20 1 1 2 25 2017-18
1 12 Carolina Ryan Murphy D Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 175 8 35 43 54 2018-19
1 13 Calgary Sven Baertschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 291 66 72 138 78 2019-20
1 14 Dallas Jamie Oleksiak D Northeastern University [H-East] 278 16 38 54 235 2019-20

Baertschi was not a bust and is around what a typical 13th pick normally does in the NHL, slightly below average. Flames fans rainbow coloured glasses at the time hyped him up to stardom because of lack of prospects at the time and his goals on his first call up.

[FlamesAddiction]

If you are an overpaid 1 dimensional player, you had better at least be someone with a personality that makes others want to be around you. I get the sense this one of the dynamics at play here.

[PepsiFree]

But if every draft pick met or exceeded our expectations for them, just think where we would be! Just think!

[Locke]

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[Blaster86]

Every time Sven has started to do well consistently over the past two years, he's gotten hurt.

The thing that has really killed him is Gaudette coming up and being too good to be sent down, which means he moves to the wing when we are healthy and Virtanen continuing on the 20 goal pace was on last year.

Unfortunately for Sven, he never put it together as consistently as these two have without getting hurt.

[calumniate]

Ferland back on LTIR too.. kinda concerning for him

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by codynw

They could always fire Loui Eriksson into the sun. Worse player that makes way more money.

If you could do that, there would be plenty of players orbiting the sun.

There is a reason why guys like Neal and Lucic are in the NHL.


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[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Ferland back on LTIR too.. kinda concerning for him

Happy for him that he got that contact. It looks like he is close to done.

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[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Ferland back on LTIR too.. kinda concerning for him

Yeah, apparently this is a recurrence of the last concussion he had. Really scary.