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Old 12-16-2019, 01:46 AM   #461
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I don't know under what circumstances a team would do this, but with this rental so early, you could flip him again at the deadline.

Of course by then it would mean you are probably not happy with the player at the end of Feb and or have upheaved your team negatively the prior two months, but, you could still get a return similar then to what you gave up to get him now, or better.

Sort of like a trial/buyers remorse period, which is very intriguing. He has no NTC to get in the way of a future flip.

We will know by the holiday roster freeze Thursday.
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Old 12-16-2019, 02:34 AM   #462
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^ that happened with Thomas Vanek in 2013-14. Dealt from Buffalo to NYI early in the season then to Montreal at the trade deadline when it wasn't working out for the Islanders.

The Islanders didn't get much for Vanek, if I remember correctly. Far less than what they paid.
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^ that happened with Thomas Vanek in 2013-14. Dealt from Buffalo to NYI early in the season then to Montreal at the trade deadline when it wasn't working out for the Islanders.

The Islanders didn't get much for Vanek, if I remember correctly. Far less than what they paid.
Gave up Matt Moulson + 1st + 2nd and then got Collberg and a 2nd for Vanek + 5th? Ouch, was Chiarelli on staff?

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Old 12-16-2019, 07:45 AM   #464
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Bennett + Frolik for Hall as a rental and a conditional 3rd, 2nd if the flames make the finals or 2nd if he re-signs or 1st if the Flames make the finals and he re-signs.

This has the complexity that Brad looks for in his picks, has minimal impact on disrupting the chemistry now (given that Bennett has been out for this winning streak) and is likely the best offer that NJ has received (based on what I have read). For NJ, they get a former 4th overall with team control and a 3rd for a rental that they can sell to the fan base. I think you can play around with the 3rd (i.e. could be Philips, Gillies etc. or other B-level prospect).
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Old 12-16-2019, 07:51 AM   #465
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I assume he's going to miss his 3rd game tonight? Maybe it's me but I find it kind of lame to hold a player out for this long when you don't even had a deal close to being finalized. The organization does owe it to their fans and season ticket holders to ice the best team possible. I hope we don't see a lot more of this going forward.
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Old 12-16-2019, 07:53 AM   #466
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It's obvious that Devils are not getting the offers they were hoping for. Big part of it could be that the rumour is Hall won't sign an extension, driving down the price. I'm just wondering what New jersey does with him if he is not traded by xmas freeze? Do they put him back in lineup? Do they have to bite the bullet and take the best trade offer , even if they are not happy with it?
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Old 12-16-2019, 08:03 AM   #467
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Weird that they had him sit out on Friday and the whole weekend passed with no news. Wonder if a team got permission to work out an extension after all?

Is Arizona still the front runner?
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Old 12-16-2019, 08:05 AM   #468
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I assume he's going to miss his 3rd game tonight? Maybe it's me but I find it kind of lame to hold a player out for this long when you don't even had a deal close to being finalized. The organization does owe it to their fans and season ticket holders to ice the best team possible. I hope we don't see a lot more of this going forward.
Not a fan of this either. IF he's going to get healthy scratched for this then it should be when the league is finalizing/reviewing the trade.

In reality though the Devils are looking at protecting their key assest AND getting a better chance at Alexis Lafreniere
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Old 12-16-2019, 08:18 AM   #469
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Bennett + Frolik for Hall as a rental and a conditional 3rd, 2nd if the flames make the finals or 2nd if he re-signs or 1st if the Flames make the finals and he re-signs.

This has the complexity that Brad looks for in his picks, has minimal impact on disrupting the chemistry now (given that Bennett has been out for this winning streak) and is likely the best offer that NJ has received (based on what I have read). For NJ, they get a former 4th overall with team control and a 3rd for a rental that they can sell to the fan base. I think you can play around with the 3rd (i.e. could be Philips, Gillies etc. or other B-level prospect).
That would be laughably bad for the Devils LOL

He'll get a first round pick + at the deadline as a rental easy.

With a number of months to go in the season, he's worth even more.
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I assume he's going to miss his 3rd game tonight? Maybe it's me but I find it kind of lame to hold a player out for this long when you don't even had a deal close to being finalized. The organization does owe it to their fans and season ticket holders to ice the best team possible. I hope we don't see a lot more of this going forward.
They donít play until Wednesday so I think a deal gets done before then.
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Listened to Boomer and Commadore talking about Hall this morning. Boomer basically said there is less than 10% chance the Flames get Hall.

He was mocking those by offering Czarnik, Frolik etc but then makes an idiot out of himself by saying they likely want Tkachuk. Taylor Hall’s return will look a lot closer to spare parts than 21 year old superstars.
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Listened to Boomer and Commadore talking about Hall this morning. Boomer basically said there is less than 10% chance the Flames get Hall.

He was mocking those by offering Czarnik, Frolik etc but then makes an idiot out of himself by saying they likely want Tkachuk. Taylor Hallís return will look a lot closer to spare parts than 21 year old superstars.
I love those trade offers. If only the Flames still had Stajan and Brouwer to throw in. Maybe reacquire Sven to throw in. Who could pass those up?
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I love those trade offers. If only the Flames still had Stajan and Brouwer to throw in. Maybe reacquire Sven to throw in. Who could pass those up?
We could get Taylor Hall for a run letís make sure we offer our best player with a 3 year contract and at least one more year of team control to ensure we can get him for 47 games and then have a chance to pay him more money than we would the younger, better player.


At least Will brought yo pieces like Valimaki, Dube etc. in my opinion the point gets lost when someone swings the pendulum too far in the other direction.
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Old 12-16-2019, 09:16 AM   #475
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It has been said that Hall won't sign a deal during the season. It has also been said that no team has been given permission to speak to Hall, and maybe no team has even asked for permission to do so.

With those two key pieces of information we can safely assume that when he does get traded that the return will not be very much and fans of the 29 other teams will be saying "That's all it took? We could have done better than that!".

It's been speculated that Hall won't sign an extension and will wait to test free agency based on the past history of his agent who believes this is the best approach.


If that is true, one would have to think that any deal for Hall might be underwhelming but include conditions that would significantly improve the return should Hall end up signing with the team that trades for him.
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I love those trade offers. If only the Flames still had Stajan and Brouwer to throw in. Maybe reacquire Sven to throw in. Who could pass those up?
You're one of the biggest bennett boosters on this board, but you dont think hes a valuable asset in a trade for a mercurial superstar who has already essentially guaranteed he is testing FA in ~6months?

Bennett +kylington is a great offer
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You're one of the biggest bennett boosters on this board, but you dont think hes a valuable asset in a trade for a mercurial superstar who has already essentially guaranteed he is testing FA in ~6months?

Bennett +kylington is a great offer
I honestly have no problem offering those players for a signed Hall but would avoid it on a rental.
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Listened to Boomer and Commadore talking about Hall this morning. Boomer basically said there is less than 10% chance the Flames get Hall.

He was mocking those by offering Czarnik, Frolik etc but then makes an idiot out of himself by saying they likely want Tkachuk. Taylor Hallís return will look a lot closer to spare parts than 21 year old superstars.
I think he was more stating this would be there ask rather then spare parts.
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Old 12-16-2019, 09:42 AM   #479
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LeBrun says the Panthers are out at the moment:

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Things could change, but what I'm hearing this morning is that the Florida Panthers are no longer in the mix on Taylor Hall. I think their interest was tied to the idea of signing him or at least thinking they could eventually sign him... otherwise too big a price for a rental

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now if the price lowers... maybe Florida could get back, that's why you never say never. Overall, have heard from other teams who hope to get an answer soon from NJ as to where this is headed. They don't want it to drag on too long
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You're one of the biggest bennett boosters on this board, but you dont think hes a valuable asset in a trade for a mercurial superstar who has already essentially guaranteed he is testing FA in ~6months?

Bennett +kylington is a great offer
I agree.

A late first isn't much value to NJ at this point, they need players that they can start to surround Hughes, Hischer, and this years top 5 pick with.

Bennett, and Kylington gives then two young players that are already NHL players right now. They are both the type of players you likely are drafting with a 20-30 overall first rounder but are actually ready to play now instead of waiting 3-4 years.

IMO It's a great start to an offer for rental Hall.
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