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Old 03-17-2019, 09:30 PM   #4361
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No call because he ended up with the stick in his hand...in real time that is a tough call for the ref
hence the existence of replay
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Old 03-17-2019, 09:32 PM   #4362
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It is irritating to see them get the right play in the Ovechkin shootout goal and then mess this up.

NHL officiating! We have NO standard!
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:17 PM   #4363
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hence the existence of replay
since when is there replays for penalties?

Its a penalty shot, ref makes the call...coach cant challenge stick throwing...its the same as an in game breakaway.
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:21 AM   #4364
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hence the existence of replay
They can't even get replay right half the time as every time there's a goal challenge fans wait on pins and needles having no idea if it will be allowed or disallowed while the PBP guys guess how the league's coin lands for that play. NHL officiating is the dirty secret of the NHL that everyone knows but the media never takes the league to task for it and everyone involved goes about their business like it's fine even though they know it's the worst part of their league. It's really, really bad.

There were two officials in perfect position on that penalty shot and neither of them could see the goaltender throw his stick like we did watching live on TV? Just terrible.

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Old 03-18-2019, 11:18 AM   #4365
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This is where I struggle with the throwing the stick rule. It's clear that Khudobin is going for the poke check and loses the handle as the stick is going forward. The refs have an extremely tough job trying to decide if the intent was actually to throw the stick rather than it just slipping through his hand.
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:24 AM   #4366
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This is where I struggle with the throwing the stick rule. It's clear that Khudobin is going for the poke check and loses the handle as the stick is going forward. The refs have an extremely tough job trying to decide if the intent was actually to throw the stick rather than it just slipping through his hand.
Players are expected to be in control or their stick at all times. Incidental high sticks get called all the time. He lost his stick in a forward motion on a breakaway - it should have been ruled a automatic goal.
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:46 PM   #4367
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Players are expected to be in control or their stick at all times. Incidental high sticks get called all the time. He lost his stick in a forward motion on a breakaway - it should have been ruled a automatic goal.
Different rule than high sticking though. The goalie has to "throw" his stick, which implies intention. On the other hand, if he even accidentally knocks the net off it's a goal.

25.4 Infractions During the Course of a Penalty Shot - A goal will be
awarded when a goalkeeper attempts to stop a penalty shot by
throwing his stick or any other object at the player taking the shot or
by dislodging the goal (either deliberately or accidentally) (see Rule
63.6).
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:54 PM   #4368
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This is where I struggle with the throwing the stick rule. It's clear that Khudobin is going for the poke check and loses the handle as the stick is going forward. The refs have an extremely tough job trying to decide if the intent was actually to throw the stick rather than it just slipping through his hand.
Is it really clear though? Initially I thought this during the game as a Flames fan I am looking for anything to justify no goal but after watching the replays later I would say only Khudobin really knows if it was unintentional. It should have been an automatic goal.

Same with the goal in the Oilers game last night. We have seen way less contact result in goals called back on the Flames even with players outside the crease and there you have a play where the Knights forward is all over the goaltender in the crease and they let the goal stand. Sure it's funny because it happened to the Oilers but I would be livid if that happened to the Flames given how many Flames goals have been disallowed this season.
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Old 03-18-2019, 01:25 PM   #4369
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Different rule than high sticking though. The goalie has to "throw" his stick, which implies intention. On the other hand, if he even accidentally knocks the net off it's a goal.

25.4 Infractions During the Course of a Penalty Shot - A goal will be
awarded when a goalkeeper attempts to stop a penalty shot by
throwing his stick or any other object at the player taking the shot or
by dislodging the goal (either deliberately or accidentally) (see Rule
63.6).
Are you sure that the "either deliberately or accidentally" wording doesn't affect the whole clause? There seems to be no reason to prefer one interpretation over the other, the way it's written.

In terms of the policy of the rule, it actually makes sense that if you don't care if he dislodged the goal accidentally, you shouldn't care if he threw his stick accidentally either.
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