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Old 07-10-2019, 12:11 PM   #1141
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If new-style math is more intuitive, why have our math test scores in Alberta fallen vs international jurisdictions and other Canadian jurisdictions who have not used 'new math'?
Standardized testing is designed to test a students ability to answer a specific question in a time limited environment.

So which is more important knowing that 6 x 5 = 30 or knowing why 6 x 5 = 30.

Is being able to express 6x5= 30 as 6+6+6+6+6+6 and 5+5+5+5+5+5 and 30/5=6 and 30/6=5 and 10x 3 = 30 and 5x10 -5x4 = 30 important?

If real understanding of Math is important and I’d argue it is important for people entering math based fields then New Math is better.

And as a result of the time spent teaching math as concepts less time is spent on rote learning therefore performance on tests that test rote learning should drop. I’d be much more interested in 1st year engineering math scores in people who did new math vs combined vs old math.

I do think they should add daily math homework to the curriculum to addrese the lack of time spent on rote learning but new math is awesome in terms of explaining how numbers work.

The other thing is that it provides options on how to learn math rather than just one method. If old math didn’t fit your brain it didn’t matter, in new math multiple methods of doing the same thing are taught.

Also this is more debate than the NDP or UCP has on the issue

Edit: maybe I am being overly critical here. Kenny’s campaign promise was to bring back old math. I am not sure that it was included in bill 8

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Old 07-10-2019, 12:52 PM   #1142
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Everybody everywhere teaches "new math". Some places go radically further from "carry the one".

6x5 = 30 is nice, but expressing it as 6+6+6+6+6 is useless. How do you express 6.2x5.1 then?
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:58 PM   #1143
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everybody everywhere teaches "new math". Some places go radically further from "carry the one".

6x5 = 30 is nice, but expressing it as 6+6+6+6+6 is useless. How do you express 6.2x5.1 then?
6.2 + 6.2 + 6.2 + 6.2 + 6.2 + 0.62?
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6.2 + 6.2 + 6.2 + 6.2 + 6.2 + 0.62?
And that's why you need to stop posting.
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:26 PM   #1145
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And that's why you need to stop posting.
Well, that's not very kind.
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:29 PM   #1146
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May someone explain wtf "new math" is and what kind of math I learned going to elementary school in the 90s.
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:48 PM   #1147
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Here it is explained in song.
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:57 PM   #1148
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I thought the whole debate was about new meth.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:46 PM   #1149
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Everybody everywhere teaches "new math". Some places go radically further from "carry the one".

6x5 = 30 is nice, but expressing it as 6+6+6+6+6 is useless. How do you express 6.2x5.1 then?
I don’t know how they do decimals in math yet. My kids aren’t their yet. But when you break that down you get.

(6 groups of 5) + (6 groups of .1) + .2(groups of 5) + .2(groups of .1)

30 + .6 + 1+ .02 = 31.62

The concept being demonstrated is that multiplication is a series of sums no matter how complicated the multiplication is. Once that is understood then learning the fastest algorithm makes sense.

Only the final group breaks down at bit but you could say .2 groups of 1 divided by 10. The key thing that is important is that when you get your answer you understand more than the algorithm worked.

I see the difference as solving a rubics cube. I know an algorithm that allows me to solve a rubics cube. I have no idea why that algorithm works.

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Old 07-11-2019, 12:20 AM   #1150
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Hello all,

Sorry about this question but I wasn't sure where I should ask this without bumping an old thread or starting a new one.

I had a question about the carbon tax rebates in Alberta. I got the $300 payment for I believe 2016 and 2017 and than I have received $50 earlier in the year which would be for 2018.

I know the program has been cut with the new government but does that mean that 2018 benefits were reduced? I have a feeling I might be missing some money?

I should technically qualify for the maximum for a single tax payer.

Thanks in advance!
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New math helps those that are already good at math get better. Old math was better for the average student.

However, I find it tough to figure out which style is actually better. Perhaps even in elementary school, math needs to be split into two streams like high school math is. New math for the pure math stream, and rote learning for applied math.
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I thought the whole debate was about new meth.
No debate there. Waaay better than Old Meth.
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New math would be great if you were able to dedicate 3x as much time on math. Every teacher I’ve talked to about this says that new math is great, but to do it properly takes an incredible amount of time, and it’s time that they don’t have.

And like Psycrnet says, if you grew up good at math, you were already doing new math in your head without being taught it.
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https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...itical-support

I will admit, I have a bias towards this. Our youngest who just turned 4 last month has apraxia. It has rendered him essentially unable to speak. Now we are lucky in the sense that he is other wise healthy with no other deficits. However life is going to just get more difficult once he hits the public school system next year. Let alone tell us when he’s sick, if he wants to play with a friend. We have applied and waited over 8 months to be assigned a caseworker, and now cuts to the system when we finally get to meet the worker next week. I ask of you if you have any way of speaking to your elected officials to try to not cut funding to this essential program so not only my little boy but others can get the help they require.
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https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...itical-support

I will admit, I have a bias towards this. Our youngest who just turned 4 last month has apraxia. It has rendered him essentially unable to speak. Now we are lucky in the sense that he is other wise healthy with no other deficits. However life is going to just get more difficult once he hits the public school system next year. Let alone tell us when he’s sick, if he wants to play with a friend. We have applied and waited over 8 months to be assigned a caseworker, and now cuts to the system when we finally get to meet the worker next week. I ask of you if you have any way of speaking to your elected officials to try to not cut funding to this essential program so not only my little boy but others can get the help they require.

You don't happen to be a Jennifer or a Tyler, do you?
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No debate there. Waaay better than Old Meth.
You saw Gainers eyes last week too eh ???
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You don't happen to be a Jennifer or a Tyler, do you?
No, we have not gone to the press about our situation.
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No, we have not gone to the press about our situation.

Oh no, my old neighbours have a boy who just turned 4 last month that has apraxia. Just thought it might be you and didn't know you were on here. But if it's not you, then nevermind!
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Is this part of the UCP's plan for a "world class health care system" they touted the day they cancelled the lab in Edmonton?
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Oh no, my old neighbours have a boy who just turned 4 last month that has apraxia. Just thought it might be you and didn't know you were on here. But if it's not you, then nevermind!

No but our boy did also just turn 4 last month and has apraxia. Small world.
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