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Old 11-03-2020, 10:40 AM   #21
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Should we temper our expectations for Valimaki or let them run wild? Do we have a Heiskanen on our hands here?
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Old 11-03-2020, 10:53 AM   #22
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Who potentially gets exposed and selected in the expansion draft?
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Old 11-03-2020, 10:59 AM   #23
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Sam Bennett. Which Sam Bennett arrives in Calgary come January 1st?
Yes, this and whether or not he plays Center. And why, or why not
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:20 AM   #24
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Can the Flames take the next step with Geoff Ward having the interim head coach tag removed? Or will they stagnate?
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:26 AM   #25
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What type of coach can we expect Ward to be? What systems? Does he like the blender? Does he like pairs? Is he all about special teams, or is he more a 5 on 5 guy?

Just who is this Geoff Ward dude?
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:42 AM   #26
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I'd have to pull a Drax and go with

"Why is Sam Bennett?"
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Old 11-03-2020, 01:49 PM   #27
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Yeah I would ask the Sam Bennett question myself. Put him as the #3 Centre and let him go as long as the health of the lineup permits?

Or do you move Lindholm in the middle and go with Lindholm, Monahan, Backlund, Ryan up the middle and try Bennet on the wing in the top 9?
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Old 11-04-2020, 05:48 AM   #28
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Old 11-05-2020, 08:52 AM   #29
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The Flames have addressed the bottom 6 but not the top 6 at all. Is this a winning strategy?
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Old 11-05-2020, 09:01 AM   #30
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What has happened when the Flames have forced a trade of a valuable player? I think you could look at the Doug Gilmour and Dion Phaneuf trades as examples.
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Old 11-05-2020, 10:31 AM   #31
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What has happened when the Flames have forced a trade of a valuable player? I think you could look at the Doug Gilmour and Dion Phaneuf trades as examples.
That's a "good one".
  • Nilsson - Win
  • Hull - Loss (kinda cause we won the Cup with those secondary parts)
  • Nieuwendyk - Draw
  • Suter - Loss
  • MacInnis - Loss
  • Roberts - Loss
  • Vernon - Loss
  • Gilmour - OMG WTF
  • Savard - Loss
  • Fleury - Draw
  • Phaneuf - Loss
  • Regehr - Loss
  • Bouwmeester - Loss
  • Iginla - Loss

Jesus. Maybe we should just keep Johnny and Mony.
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Old 11-05-2020, 12:33 PM   #32
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That's a "good one".
  • Nilsson - Win
  • Hull - Loss (kinda cause we won the Cup with those secondary parts)
  • Nieuwendyk - Draw
  • Suter - Loss
  • MacInnis - Loss
  • Roberts - Loss
  • Vernon - Loss
  • Gilmour - OMG WTF
  • Savard - Loss
  • Fleury - Draw
  • Phaneuf - Loss
  • Regehr - Loss
  • Bouwmeester - Loss
  • Iginla - Loss

Jesus. Maybe we should just keep Johnny and Mony.
If the right trade isn't there, don't force one.
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That's a "good one".
  • Nilsson - Win
  • Hull - Loss (kinda cause we won the Cup with those secondary parts)
  • Nieuwendyk - Draw
  • Suter - Loss
  • MacInnis - Loss
  • Roberts - Loss
  • Vernon - Loss
  • Gilmour - OMG WTF
  • Savard - Loss
  • Fleury - Draw
  • Phaneuf - Loss
  • Regehr - Loss
  • Bouwmeester - Loss
  • Iginla - Loss

Jesus. Maybe we should just keep Johnny and Mony.
Nieuwendyk in decline for Jarome Iginla - BIG WIN, probably the best trade in franchise history

Fleury in decline for Robyn Regehr - BIG WIN
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Old 11-05-2020, 01:01 PM   #34
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Impact of a "Throw away season"..

If the Hawks really tank and play the throw away season without a goalie what is the worst they can end up with for a draft pick?

If the season is cancelled does that burn a year of a contract?


If there is some sort of 32 / 48 games season how does that impact contacts and cap management.

For instance:

The Flames have Valimaki and Dube who will be RFAs in 20-21 and play their ELC year in a throw away season.

Would the Flames leave Valimaki in Europe to save an ELC year? They thought the 2020 playoffs were not worth burning his elc year.

Lucic and Gio have only 2 and 1 years left of their their extremely non-value contracts.


Ryan is off the books. No sense in buying him out or giving away assets to get him off the cap in a "throw away season"

The Canucks miss out on a cheap elc year for Petterson and Hughes and a cheap year for Demko. But only have 1 year left for Loui Eriksson, Beagle and Roussel and are done with Sutter and Baertschi.

In a "throw away" year with only paying 80% (escrow) of half of the contracts it doesn't cost much to dump guys at the end of their bad contracts simply by keeping them.


The Rangers get out from under 6M of the buyout for Shattenkirk and 5.5 for lundqvist but lose a ELC year for 7 players.

Pretty well all teams have cap management problems and benefits from a season that doesn't matter.
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Just an update - we postponed just due to election exhaustion. Planning on rescheduling for next week.
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Impact of a "Throw away season"..

If the Hawks really tank and play the throw away season without a goalie what is the worst they can end up with for a draft pick?

If the season is cancelled does that burn a year of a contract?


If there is some sort of 32 / 48 games season how does that impact contacts and cap management.

For instance:

The Flames have Valimaki and Dube who will be RFAs in 20-21 and play their ELC year in a throw away season.

Would the Flames leave Valimaki in Europe to save an ELC year? They thought the 2020 playoffs were not worth burning his elc year.

Lucic and Gio have only 2 and 1 years left of their their extremely non-value contracts.


Ryan is off the books. No sense in buying him out or giving away assets to get him off the cap in a "throw away season"

The Canucks miss out on a cheap elc year for Petterson and Hughes and a cheap year for Demko. But only have 1 year left for Loui Eriksson, Beagle and Roussel and are done with Sutter and Baertschi.

In a "throw away" year with only paying 80% (escrow) of half of the contracts it doesn't cost much to dump guys at the end of their bad contracts simply by keeping them.


The Rangers get out from under 6M of the buyout for Shattenkirk and 5.5 for lundqvist but lose a ELC year for 7 players.

Pretty well all teams have cap management problems and benefits from a season that doesn't matter.
Huh?

Giordano is a non value contract?
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Like season's past, everybody was frustrated with the Monahan/Gaudreau pair, with their inability to raise their game come playoff time and how they seem to be unable to be play/offense drivers when games get tougher/more physical.

Management has done a substantial overhaul at the goaltending position, and on d (only 3 d starters from last year remain).

Without discussing the cap, lack of trade partners, etc, I would love a discussion/debate on whether this team can be a good playoff team with the same core forward group built around gaudrea/monahan?
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Nieuwendyk in decline for Jarome Iginla - BIG WIN, probably the best trade in franchise history

Fleury in decline for Robyn Regehr - BIG WIN
Naw - Joe scored 18 playoff goals in back to back years going to the finals for the Stars, in addition to his regular seasons ~30 per. Dude was a #1 center who knew how to win. Draw to my mind.

Fleury was the franchise when he left. Reggie was great, but never reached that level.

Agree to disagree I suppose.
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Tre was saying he wanted to give Ward the option to play Lindholm at centre, and Conroy was saying Bennett should play centre. Who will be the 3 top 9 centres to start the year and to finish the year in your opinion? Also will the Flames try to line match this season or try to roll 4 lines no matter the matchups?
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Naw - Joe scored 18 playoff goals in back to back years going to the finals for the Stars, in addition to his regular seasons ~30 per. Dude was a #1 center who knew how to win. Draw to my mind.

Fleury was the franchise when he left. Reggie was great, but never reached that level.

Agree to disagree I suppose.
I agree. We are lucky those prospects turned out, but the haul should have been greater. It was luck that those guys hit.
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