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02-17-2021, 08:53 AM
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Spot gas hit like $900/MMBtu, there's no way a power producer can absorb that.
https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/m...ket-off-kilter
Texas gas balance went from 6Bcf/d to -6bcf/d, pretty insane numbers.
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02-17-2021, 08:57 AM
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About 10ish years ago I worked with a guy who went down to Houston for a sales trip and they had a little snow fall while he was there. He was telling me how crazy it got during this "storm". There was enough snow to just coat things, you could still see the grass through it, but it was enough to send the city into chaos. Cars were sliding all over the roads, people were scared to go out etc. He said the main reason was because they were not used to this so many people had next to bald tires and the little bit of snow was enough to cause havok. Just crazy from our perspective but that's Texas.
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I remember reading about how their asphalt or something is different from ours and it makes the roads way slipperier in these conditions than what we see here. Like oils on the road come to the surface or something? I'm sure there's a struggle factor as well, but I think there are some physical things going on we don't normally see here exacerbating the poor driving conditions.
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02-17-2021, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliver
I remember reading about how their asphalt or something is different from ours and it makes the roads way slipperier in these conditions than what we see here. Like oils on the road come to the surface or something? I'm sure there's a struggle factor as well, but I think there are some physical things going on we don't normally see here exacerbating the poor driving conditions.
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In places that get very little precipitation, the oils from vehicles and such build up on roads over time. Even a bit of rain can suddenly make a freeway a skating rink. I can imagine the same thing happening here, and then compounded by the snow and ice.
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02-17-2021, 09:04 AM
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Texas vents or flares about 1 Bcf/d.
If my math is right 1Bcf/d is 1,000,000MMBtu so $900*1,000,000=$Yikes!
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02-17-2021, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliver
I remember reading about how their asphalt or something is different from ours and it makes the roads way slipperier in these conditions than what we see here. Like oils on the road come to the surface or something? I'm sure there's a struggle factor as well, but I think there are some physical things going on we don't normally see here exacerbating the poor driving conditions.
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The asphalt binder (bitumen/tar) in the southern US is "harder" than up here, we need a more pliable road because of the freeze/thaw cycles. They have a much stiffer road to deal with the heat I am guessing. Not 100% sure how that impacts grip in snow, but it is a different product for sure.
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02-17-2021, 09:21 AM
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Isn't this a bit of a unfair comparison? We might be fairly deregulated and "the same" as Texas in that sense, but we didn't disconnect ourselves from the larger grid like Texas did.
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Texas has a handful (I think 5) of DC tie lines that connect to other jurisdictions.
This is similar to Alberta with our three interties.
It is true that both Alberta and Texas are poorly connected to their neighbors relative to the average internal loading.
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02-17-2021, 09:27 AM
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02-17-2021, 09:35 AM
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I lived in the South for over a decade and the truth is that even trace amounts of snow really can cripple the roadways. We used to get a good blast of winter once or twice a year.
No idea on the differences between their asphalt composition and ours but there are some other reasons.
Tires being the main one. No one uses winter tires down there. All seasons are pretty much the best they do for changing driving conditions.
Also they just dont get the opportunity to drive on snow/ice very often so the experience factor is huge. Hard to learn on bad roads when you rarely see them.
And those mentioning infrastructure are bang on. Most jurisdictions dont have a bunch of snow removal equipment/sanders etc because its just not economical to do so. Its why they close schools etc...they just cannot do a lot to help the safety of school buses and similar transportation types. I remember one truly bad storm came through which stopped all traffic on major interstates never mind local roadways. People were trapped in their vehicles for up to 40 hours. Locals who had vehicles that could get through deep snow(snowmoblies/atv's/off road 4X4's etc)...banded together and took blankets, food and gas up and down I-40 to those in need. It was pretty neat to see actually.
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02-17-2021, 09:48 AM
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Unreal for a politician to say this to his constituency. Colorado City, Tx Mayor tells people what real capitalism is.
This "mayor" has since resigned and his wife got fired as well.
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02-17-2021, 09:50 AM
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Living in Texas a skiff of snow is a call for the national guard, the shutting down of roads and schools.
We had a un seasonal weather drop to the equivalent of -5 here and it lasted for a couple of days when I lived there and people were hording water, Meanwhile we were still sitting in the hot tub in our apartment complex and walking around in light coats.
The roads at that time would crack due to the differences in asphalt, pipes in the ground would burst because they weren't insulated.
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02-17-2021, 09:52 AM
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Unreal for a politician to say this to his constituency. Colorado City, Tx Mayor tells people what real capitalism is.
This "mayor" has since resigned and his wife got fired as well.
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I'd be willing to bet this guy starts a lot of statements with "Now I'm a Christian..."
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02-17-2021, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Red
Unreal for a politician to say this to his constituency. Colorado City, Tx Mayor tells people what real capitalism is.
This "mayor" has since resigned and his wife got fired as well.
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Wowza. That's some true leadership right there. Just what you look for in a politician, when crisis strikes, for a guy to go "You guys figure it out, what do you think I am, the mayor or something?"
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02-17-2021, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliver
I remember reading about how their asphalt or something is different from ours and it makes the roads way slipperier in these conditions than what we see here. Like oils on the road come to the surface or something? I'm sure there's a struggle factor as well, but I think there are some physical things going on we don't normally see here exacerbating the poor driving conditions.
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Originally Posted by InglewoodFan
The asphalt binder (bitumen/tar) in the southern US is "harder" than up here, we need a more pliable road because of the freeze/thaw cycles. They have a much stiffer road to deal with the heat I am guessing. Not 100% sure how that impacts grip in snow, but it is a different product for sure.
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They also use concrete on many / most roads rather than asphalt.
Also an interesting phenomenon in Dallas.
https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...s-near-dallas/
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02-17-2021, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
Texas has a handful (I think 5) of DC tie lines that connect to other jurisdictions.
This is similar to Alberta with our three interties.
It is true that both Alberta and Texas are poorly connected to their neighbors relative to the average internal loading.
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So, note that I am talking out of my @ss before you read this next statement ...
But I thought as short as 10 years ago about 50% of our power came from BC, when they had peak supply with Hydro, and then vice versa, 50% of BC power came from AB 'dirty' coal when they had low supply with Hydro.
Is this approx true, and if so, how could we be considered as poorly connected as Texas with so much power transfer between AB and BC?
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02-17-2021, 10:59 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by Red
Unreal for a politician to say this to his constituency. Colorado City, Tx Mayor tells people what real capitalism is.
This "mayor" has since resigned and his wife got fired as well.
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Wow, this reads like satire.
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02-17-2021, 11:31 AM
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#38
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: east van
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Originally Posted by Red
Unreal for a politician to say this to his constituency. Colorado City, Tx Mayor tells people what real capitalism is.
This "mayor" has since resigned and his wife got fired as well.
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I'd take him at his word, take my gun and go kill and eat him and his wife (somehow I'm guessing they ain't thin) and warm myself by burning his house, only the strong survive all that meek stuff Jeebus went on about's godless communism!!!
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02-17-2021, 11:32 AM
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#39
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Lubicon
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I always have to laugh when they say things like "Arctic air from Canada", especially when they are in Texas. There is a lot of real estate between Canada and Texas.
Also, it came from Alaska first, so there!
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02-17-2021, 11:32 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
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Originally Posted by Mull
So, note that I am talking out of my @ss before you read this next statement ...
But I thought as short as 10 years ago about 50% of our power came from BC, when they had peak supply with Hydro, and then vice versa, 50% of BC power came from AB 'dirty' coal when they had low supply with Hydro.
Is this approx true, and if so, how could we be considered as poorly connected as Texas with so much power transfer between AB and BC?
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The AB/BC intertie has a capacity of about 1,000 MW give or take, depending on system conditions. Total installed generation is in Alberta is around 16,000 MW.
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