01-09-2019, 09:56 AM
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#3801
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
It is crazy how much Hamonic turned his game around.
He's been amazing and really helps Hanifin settle in and play a strong puck moving game.
This trade is working out incredibly well.
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I don't think it's all that amazing. He got off to a slow start in Calgary, but the whole team was playing under a cloud in the Gulutzan era. He and his partner both struggled.
But he was a very good player before he came to Calgary, this isn't some new revelation. I look at it more as a bad season, which everyone goes through. And even at that, he got better as last season went on. It's more like a really bad half-season.
And now he is back to form. And playing with confidence. This is the Hamonic Treliving traded for.
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01-09-2019, 12:33 PM
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#3802
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Voted for Kodos
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Lindholm has been unbelievable this year, both offensively and defensively. He is, without question, playing well enough to be in the Selke conversation. However, there are 2 reasons why I don't believe he has a snowball's chance in hell:
1) he isn't a C.
2) he doesn't have a track record - the Selke, like the Norris, is often a cumulative prize.
And I'll add a 3rd: with Gaudreau, Giordano, and Peters all deserving, and getting consideration (assuming things remain the same, and obviously there is a lot of hockey left), I don't think there would be any appetite to add a 4th Flame to the awards conversations.
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
I doubt Lindholm gets serious consideration for the Selke this year. It's a reputation award. Players only get nominated once they've been on the radar as an elite defensive forward for a few years. And they rarely win until they've been nominated a couple times first.
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Selke doesn’t usually go to wingers, but Lindholm has a bit of an advantage here - he’s playing at the very least pseudo centre here. Takes lots of Faceoffs as a top line winger. He plays centre on the PK.
As far as “adding him to awards conversations”, many of the awards are voted on by different groups of people. There isn’t one group that says, “no we have already awarded the Flames too many awards, we have to overlook Lindholm”
The reputation part of the selke is definitely a factor. It almost certainly robbed Backlund of the Selke a couple years ago, when he was the best defensive forward that season.
Anyway, As of today, Lindholm is first among forwards with a +27. Second Place is Colton Sissons at +21. Third place tie is Crosby and Gaudreau at +20. Lindholm leads by 6.
MicKinnon is the only player in the NHL who has been on the ice for more Goals for this season. McKinnon has 89, Lindholm has 87. (Gaudreau is 4th with 84)
Also, the usual suspects are having somewhat off years (to be fair Bergeron has been injured). People rave about Barkov, but he’s been on the ice for 6 more goals than ANY other forward in the league so far this season.
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01-09-2019, 11:56 PM
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#3803
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Elias Lindholm is on pace for 93 points this year. That's 4 more points than Micheal Ferland had in his entire 4-year tenure with the Calgary Flames.
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01-10-2019, 12:11 AM
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#3804
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Franchise Player
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4.85m for 5 1/2 more years!!!! Imagine if his contract was coming up this summer. Incredibly fortunate and one of the great acquisitions for this franchise. Will help allow the window to stay open for a bit longer here, hopefully.
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01-11-2019, 02:13 PM
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#3805
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Analyzing the effectiveness of trade candidate Dougie Hamilton
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...ugie-hamilton/
Perhaps this quote from the article sums it up best:
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Hamilton hasn’t been quite as strong as he was last season overall, but he’s still performed very well so far. It’s worth noting that while the Hurricanes have a plethora of really good defencemen, none of them are at Mark Giordano’s level. So when you look at Hamilton’s raw differentials from last season they’re a little inflated due to playing with one of the best defencemen in the NHL over the past 10 years or so.
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01-11-2019, 03:09 PM
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#3806
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Elias Lindholm is on pace for 93 points this year. That's 4 more points than Micheal Ferland had in his entire 4-year tenure with the Calgary Flames.
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That is an incredible stat when you put it that way. Just amazing what he has brought to that top line.
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01-11-2019, 03:16 PM
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#3807
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quite the change of tune from last summer when it was Giordano who was lucky to play with "top defenseman" Hamilton, which helped to extend his effectiveness and would be expected to decline after Dougie's departure......
But again the narrative flips because they got blindsided by a bus full of crow.
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01-12-2019, 09:04 PM
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#3809
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Quite the change of tune from last summer when it was Giordano who was lucky to play with "top defenseman" Hamilton, which helped to extend his effectiveness and would be expected to decline after Dougie's departure......
But again the narrative flips because they got blindsided by a bus full of crow.
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Yea its mind boggling how many Flames fans were saying Hamilton is our best dmen. I mean did any of them watch the games? I guess its just stat watchers with homer glasses.
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01-12-2019, 09:18 PM
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#3810
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flamesforcup
Yea its mind boggling how many Flames fans were saying Hamilton is our best dmen. I mean did any of them watch the games? I guess its just stat watchers with homer glasses.
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I don't think there were that many saying it.
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01-12-2019, 10:02 PM
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#3811
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Many first 170 posts in this thread are fairly humourous and ridiculously dramatic. Somewhat like a GT.
"RIP Brad Treliving"
"Fold the team and move to Seattle"
Many posters saying they were physically ill.
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01-12-2019, 10:07 PM
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#3812
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the2bears
I don't think there were that many saying it.
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I remember calling into overtime last year and just being called ridiculous saying the D man to move will be Hamilton. When that trade happened I was absolutelty flabbergasted after I heard it a half hour late, came here and expected so much praise to see people jumping off cliffs.
One of our best trades in history.
Hanafin on pace to produce more than Hamilton without even playing with Gio, and like Scorp said, Lindholm on pace to produce more this season than Ferland has in 4 seasons. Unreal.
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01-12-2019, 10:10 PM
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#3813
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by browna
Many first 170 posts in this thread are fairly humourous and ridiculously dramatic. Somewhat like a GT.
"RIP Brad Treliving"
"Fold the team and move to Seattle"
Many posters saying they were physically ill.
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I'm reading the reactions after the trade right now and it's pretty funny. Pretty much everyone posting has something negative to say.
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01-12-2019, 10:10 PM
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#3814
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by browna
Many first 170 posts in this thread are fairly humourous and ridiculously dramatic. Somewhat like a GT.
"RIP Brad Treliving"
"Fold the team and move to Seattle"
Many posters saying they were physically ill.
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I was just reading the first 10 pages of this thread... And was going to post a similar comment. All doom & gloom getting bent over backwards. While it is half a season later and depending upon how Fox ultimately develops, this trade thus far is truly glorious for the Flames - especially with the contract extensions signed over the summer.
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01-12-2019, 10:11 PM
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#3815
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spuzzum
I was just reading the first 10 pages of this thread... And was going to post a similar comment. All doom & gloom getting bent over backwards. While it is half a season later and depending upon how Fox ultimately develops, this trade thus far is truly glorious for the Flames - especially with the contract extensions signed over the summer.
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Fox would have to turn into the next Phil Housley for it to be an even deal at this point
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01-12-2019, 10:13 PM
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#3816
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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I thought the idea of turning Hamilton into two lesser assets was so stupid instead of trading him one for one for a star winger.
Turns out Brad turned him 1 for 2 into a star winger and replacement D-man.
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01-12-2019, 10:18 PM
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#3817
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hackey
I'm reading the reactions after the trade right now and it's pretty funny. Pretty much everyone posting has something negative to say.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by browna
Wow.Liking this move big time.
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01-12-2019, 10:26 PM
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#3818
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Honestly I love those reactions. At the time we thought we were dealing the best player in a 3 for 2 trade. Nothing wrong with being upset at all.
At the time my biggest hope was that it'd be a win-win type of trade. Honestly I don't really think that any of us thought that this would be the kind of move that put us into contention. I'm still amazed at how well Lindholm meshes with Sean and Mr. Hockey. But again, looking back...
Tre did us good this time around. Real good.
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01-12-2019, 10:31 PM
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#3819
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I was apprehensive, but not upset. I warmed up to it after letting it sink in.
I was never a big Hamilton fan, but I thought he had more value. I also thought Ferland was a little overrated, but being shallow on RW, I didn't like giving him up. I also didn't anticipate how well Lindholm and Hanifin would fit it at the time, or that Lindholm would be so effective on the RW. I was under the impression that he was a center.
Fox is still a big wildcard in the equation, but either way, it was a great deal for us. I have to shame in my initial reaction.
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01-12-2019, 10:41 PM
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#3820
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper
What are the odds Elias Lindholm wins the Selke Trophy this season? .
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Zero. The Selke is won but shut down centres who face the other teams best offence players
Lindholm likely won’t get a vote.
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